New DL Marketing Campaign = "High Quality Industrial Transport Company"

[WorldTraveler]

what is perfectly obvious is that you, just like E, have looked for every possible way to silence any opposing comments, esp. since you can't counter them.

I don't care if you use the term actual employee... but again it shows that it is a concept of your invention that has nothing to do with any kind of reality.

What you really want is to try to argue that you and you alone have the right to speak for 80K employees, despite the fact that there might be a handful of active DL employees who participate on this forum - and the people you ally with most are certainly not in that category.

Let me just remind you and E and anyone else that your focus on the reputation score serves only to embolden me to continue to show how little you actually contribute of substance and how this forum is nothing more than an instrument for you to use against any opposing thought.... something that is not missed by any of the actual employees - both active and retirees - who choose no longer to participate in this forum because they are tired of hearing you try to speak for them.

Congratulations. You have reduced the DL forum to nothing more than spats between me and you in which no one else really wants to participate. You have no one to blame but yourself for the lack of any meaningful discussion on the forum.

 

[eolesen]

Well, to be intellectually honest, you'd reduced the DL forum to a place where you could hold court and pontificate long before I started posting here.

Anyone else who used to participate in meaningful conversation here left years ago. They'd either grown tired of being talked down to by you, or simply didn't care to re-read your regurgitating of press releases and corporate bullet points that they could read just as easily on the company intranet while on the clock.

 

[WorldTraveler]

.... you obviously haven't talked to the people who got tired of watching you go to endless lengths to try to denigrate someone else since they dared to challenge AA and your viewpoints, even though what I have had to say both about AA and DL and contrary to you has been all but spot on compared to a track record for you that is full of errors.

Go right ahead and jump in to jump on me since my comment was targeted to Kev anyway. It only validates the hypocrisy of his intent to try to silence a select group of non-actual employees while failing to cut off others.

You two both have developed quite the deep alliance to add on to Q's special relationship with Kev.... and you all look far worse because of it.

After all, anyone who has any doubt about any attempt to discuss objectively about the issues needs to go back and read Q's original post and his scorn at DL's statements. Kev was quick to jump in and throw in his own pro-labor bias - and it has gone downhill from there.

Again, no one either at DL's HDQ who reads these threads or the hundreds of others who read them have no illusions about what this board stands for and those who work feverishly to ensure that the message of the PMNW labor losers is kept alive even if their message is consistently rejected by the tens of thousands of other "actual" DL employees they act as if they represent.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

It is obviously time for the moderators to close this thread.

A thread I started to try and move away from under WT's incessant, inane, crap.

With this one closed, he will no doubt pollute the other viable threads in the AA and SW forum until all else run off from there.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you had absolutely no intention of discussing the topic objectively... it was yet one more pro-labor slam at DL initiated by the PMNW labor crowd.
 

"Delta's management team is trying to combat this perception by changing the way investors look at Delta. While Delta will always be an airline, it wants investors to consider it as part of the broader category of high-quality industrial transportation companies. This alternative peer group contains many companies with higher valuations than Delta, which should encourage investors that Delta has more room for share appreciation."

ROTFLMAO.

It is a good strategy for a company who is being relegated to the sidelines in air travel media.

"A high-quality industrial transport company?

This is why executives repeatedly used the phrase "high-quality industrial transport" in one form or another to describe Delta at the company's investor day on Wednesday. Delta wants investors to think of it as being part of a larger transportation group that includes railroads, truckers, and package delivery companies. It's not a coincidence that all of these companies have higher earnings multiples than Delta."

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/13/delta-air-lines-wants-to-change-the-conversation.aspx

I apologize in advance for providing cannon fodder for a rather boisterous widget slinging cheerleader that thankfully I have on ignore.

Please refrain for quoting him so I do not have to see his slobbering.

You and Kev have consistently demonstrated that you can't carry on a discussion about business issues without turning them into a slam on DL and its labor practices.

Kev's reply shows it...
rendered ineffective with his own peers on the job in his organizing efforts, he tries to convince a largely pro-labor crowd on this forum that he is right.... problem is that most of them aren't "actual" DL employees so their opinion doesn't count. The 4 or 5 other active employees he can find don't come close to representing the views of DL employees.

close the thread if you want... you never had any intention of carrying on an objective discussion about the topic you tried to tee up.

"ROTFLMAO."

 

[Kev3188]

Well, to be intellectually honest, you'd reduced the DL forum to a place where you could hold court and pontificate long before I started posting here.

Anyone else who used to participate in meaningful conversation here left years ago. They'd either grown tired of being talked down to by you, or simply didn't care to re-read your regurgitating of press releases and corporate bullet points that they could read just as easily on the company intranet while on the clock.

Bingo. That giant sucking sound you heard after WT came back here post A.Net ban was everyone hitting the exits.


 
 

. It only validates the hypocrisy of his intent to try to silence a select group of non-actual employees while failing to cut off others.

Pearls clutched. Got it.

 

Again, no one either at DL's HDQ who reads these threads

Tell us more about your dealings with corporate security.
 

... the PMNW labor losers

Awesome.
 
 

It is obviously time for the moderators to close this thread.

A thread I started to try and move away from under WT's incessant, inane, crap.

With this one closed, he will no doubt pollute the other viable threads in the AA and SW forum until all else run off from there.

Sad but true.

Yet another topic that could've taken some fun twists winds up smothered in bizarre evangelism, and the board's a worse place for it.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev was quick to jump in and throw in his own pro-labor bias -

Let's just get this one off the table right away:

Pro-worker bias? You bet. That shouldn't surprise anyone that's used this board for more than a week.

 

[topDawg]

and if they hadn't cut 5-6% from it, what would it have been? 
 
Oh yeah, full of win. 

ahem.....WT....I'm waiting on my answer here...
 
WT, honestly, you'd do great in Washington. 2+2=....whatever we tell you it is. 

 

[topDawg]

Let's just get this one off the table right away:

Pro-worker bias? You bet. That shouldn't surprise anyone that's used this board for more than a week.

wait, someone who is in front line labor is........pro labor? you don't say? 
 
maybe next someone will tell me the sky is blue. 
 
 
no friggin s**t we are pro labor. If we weren't we would simply be asking for the company to find a way to get rid of us. (I hear Delta has a thing for mexico now smh) 

 

[Kev3188]

wait, someone who is in front line labor is........pro labor? you don't say? 
 
maybe next someone will tell me the sky is blue. 
 
 
no friggin s**t we are pro labor. If we weren't we would simply be asking for the company to find a way to get rid of us. (I hear Delta has a thing for mexico now smh) 

 
+1

 

[WorldTraveler]

let's be very clear that pro-worker does not validate pro-labor.

This forum is a pro-labor site moderated by pro-labor forces who have worked tirelessly to blast anything DL does in whatever vein possible including silencing any pro-company and pro-employee conversations.

This thread is a perfect example. Q mocked the thought that DL was moving the company to being a high quality investment and away from traditional airlines.

I have no problem with any ACTIVE DL employee expressing their opinions. I do have a real problem with couching their opinions as being representative of anything larger than their opinion.

DL like every other legacy airline made painful cuts in the early half of the last decade. AA's cuts continued until later because of their delayed BK.

No airline, of any kind in the US, has restored as much pay or paid profit sharing as large as DL has, bar none. DL's profit sharing of $500M for this year will be the largest any airline in the Americas at least - probably anywhere has ever paid - and yet people here struggle to admit there are gains despite the fact that the actual accrual rate has been cut.

The notion that kind of financial performance by the company is some whim of the company is nothing but unadulterated pro-labor movement babble.

When topics like this can be objectively discussed instead of being just one more pro-labor MOVEMENT - a huge differentiation from pro-employee - bash against DL, then we might have a forum.

BTW, since a.net was mentioned, it should be noted that the members of that forum handedly told the PMNW pro-labor participants their whining was no longer wanted and those who led that charge have been largely silenced.

What a great day it will be when day that day finally comes here.

 

[Kev3188]

So you bemoan what you perceive to be your voice being silenced, yet in the next breath wish just that on others?
 
Okay then.  
 
BTW, I never saw a concerted movement to get any PMNW people to leave. You sure that's not a conclusion you drew based on what you hoped to have happen? IMO, a more reasonable explanation is that A LOT of PMNW vs. PMDL discussions ramped up leading to the elections, and quieted down accordingly. I also suspect that when elections are next called, they'll heat right back up. 

 

[eolesen]

Yep. Just as they do in the AA forum whenever there's a card drive, and as I'd expect once the SCF is issued.

The other factoid missing is that there were more PMNW folks who left the industry and stopped participating in the discussion because they'd checked out of the industry.

Some people *are* able to check out after they leave. And then there are people who are stuck in the Hotel Deltafornia.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I don't advocate unionism at Delta as someone here thinks. I do think they would be better off, but that is for people like Kev and Top Dawg to decide.

I actually manage a BUE workforce now. It is very obvious that WT has never, ever supervised any actual employees of any company.

 

[FWAAA]

No airline, of any kind in the US, has restored as much pay or paid profit sharing as large as DL has, bar none. DL's profit sharing of $500M for this year will be the largest any airline in the Americas at least - probably anywhere has ever paid - and yet people here struggle to admit there are gains despite the fact that the actual accrual rate has been cut.

About that profit sharing:   while it's very impressive, AA tried to reward its employees with 15% first dollar profit sharing - that was in the term sheets from February, 2012.   
 
Unfortunately, the represented employees traded away 2/3 of that profit sharing for small hourly increases.   Idiots.
 
What they should have done, of course, was demand hourly increases and never should have given back any profit sharing.    In a year or two, when new AA is reporting annual profits of $3 billion to $4 billion, there will be AA employees whining about their meager, tiny profit sharing checks.  "Why are DL employees getting profit sharing equal to 10% of their annual pay when we're getting almost nothing?   Stupid greedy bastards in management!!!"    
 
You can lead employees to variable pay, but you can't stop them from trading it away.     Had Parker asked for my opinion, I would have told him to offer the AA employees nothing above Horton's Ch 11 concessions except for one thing:   20% first dollar profit sharing.   But instead, he gladly gave them a few more crumbs in exchange for what's left of their profit sharing.