New IBT Tactic

[delldude]

oh and you voted on your three letters of agreement with AWA?
if its included at time of ratification,thats one thing....but between ratification and contract end...then what?

 

[awausairtech]

LETS LOOK UP THE DATES ON THAT...

AND DELL THIS TIME I MIGHT HAVE TO CALL THE HALL..LOL

AND I KNOW CALLING ANDY LOL

 

[Snafu]

LETS LOOK UP THE DATES ON THAT...

AND DELL THIS TIME I MIGHT HAVE TO CALL THE HALL..LOL

AND I KNOW CALLING ANDY LOL

If I remember correctly, those 3 LOA's were in the contract on the signed date of November 20th, 1998. There are NO dates on them because they came out with the original contract.

 

[awausairtech]

WELL ME TO BUT I WILL CALL THE HALL AND GET A T/A AND S/O ON THEM.

 

[delldude]

IAM has that verbage that has been referred to for the purpose of clarifications/modifications when the need arises....if it comes up during neg's it would be incorporated into the contract at that time.

no secret backdoor booga booga tactic like you'd wish to believe

 

[awausairtech]

DELL MOST OF YOUR MEMBERS JUST GOT A COPY OF THE IAM CONTRACT A MONTH AGO ???
YOU ASKED ME SOMETHING I READ A LONG WHILE BACK AND SAID YES TO. LOL
I PUT IN FOR THE INFO AND LETS SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES.. . . .DAM CLOCK NEVER MOVES WHEN YOU WATCH IT :closedeyes:

 

[EricLv2Fish]

IAM has that verbage that has been referred to for the purpose of clarifications/modifications when the need arises....if it comes up during neg's it would be incorporated into the contract at that time.

no secret backdoor booga booga tactic like you'd wish to believe

IMO that clause gives to much power to one person. It is nice to have the flexibility to correct minor issues, but the clause provides no guidelines or rules and can be dangerous. Guidelines and rules to protect the union membership are what a union contract is suppose to do is it not? The clause is like writing a blank check and trusting the person to be honest. Union contracts are good in the respect that it should protect it's membership from the ups and downs of leadership changes on both the management side and union side. That clause is potentially dangerous and there isn't anyway to get around that fact Dell.

 

[320tech]

oh and you voted on your three letters of agreement with AWA?
if its included at time of ratification,thats one thing....but between ratification and contract end...then what?

Yes we did vote on it! we voted on all parts of our contract. and our union didn't put in a back door like yours did!

 

[700UW]

READ AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES A VOTE ON IBT CONTRACT, AND NOT LIKE A PIN AND INK BUY THE IAM UNION AND COMPANY (WITHOUT THE MEMBERS VOTE ON THE IAM CONTRACT!).

Show the boards proof of this ever happening.

Don't waste your time as it never has and you are lying.

 

[delldude]

IMO that clause gives to much power to one person. It is nice to have the flexibility to correct minor issues, but the clause provides no guidelines or rules and can be dangerous. Guidelines and rules to protect the union membership are what a union contract is suppose to do is it not? The clause is like writing a blank check and trusting the person to be honest. Union contracts are good in the respect that it should protect it's membership from the ups and downs of leadership changes on both the management side and union side. That clause is potentially dangerous and there isn't anyway to get around that fact Dell.

well you're dead wrong and your limited understanding of unions and contract language is showing.
any contract mod has to past muster with the union rep who has to take it to the body of the union(membership) before signing off on anything.
after we voted on a concession package the union GC and company labor relations signed off on the modifications after the body of the union voted it in.

in a top secret meeting in the basement of the international in dc,myself and 700 signed it into law .no one knows of this,please do not spread it around.

 

[320tech]

Show the boards proof of this ever happening.

Don't waste your time as it never has and you are lying.

“This Agreement may not be
amended or supplemented
except by a written letter of
agreement signed by both
the Vice President of Labor
Relations or his designee on
behalf of the Company and
the General Chairman or
his designee on behalf of
the IAM.â€￾
Article 17 General and
Miscellaneous, Section (P),
page 77.

why have a vote when they tell you what they want. boy some contract you have.

 

[delldude]

make a big deal out of something you know nothing of...why don't you go back to trying to interpret the NMB manual....that was good for laughs too.
checks and balances exist but then again you know little or nothing of IAM procedures and contract verbages.
what you attempt to make issue with is part of the checks and balances between company and union.....
you should be more concerned with your lack of support from those at U and the lame card drive that is not and will not come to pass.

 

[smmech]

make a big deal out of something you know nothing of...why don't you go back to trying to interpret the NMB manual....that was good for laughs too.
checks and balances exist but then again you know little or nothing of IAM procedures and contract verbages.
what you attempt to make issue with is part of the checks and balances between company and union.....
you should be more concerned with your lack of support from those at U and the lame card drive that is not and will not come to pass.

As if your interpretations of the the NMB manual were any less pathetic... Based from completely different presidences, cases that have no bearing on our current plight.. Wait and see..

Also we do not care to understand the language the IAM uses to get things by there members with no vote... If that is the way they do buisness we want know part of it..

Checks and balances... LOL IAM get checks from the company.. To make sure the members stay balanced..

 

[awausairtech]

oh and you voted on your three letters of agreement with AWA?
if its included at time of ratification,thats one thing....but between ratification and contract end...then what?

sorry dell had to get some sleep all LOAs it the IBT contract were in it at ratification.signed date of November 20th, 1998.

LETTER OF AGREEMENT 3
This Letter of Agreement is made and entered into in accordance with the provisions of the
Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between America West, Inc., (hereinafter referred to
as the “Companyâ€￾) and the mechanics and related in the service of America West Airlines,
Inc., as represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (hereinafter referred to as
the “Unionâ€￾):
Upon Board of Directors approval of the return of “Câ€￾ Checks work to be performed by
employees within the bargaining unit, the Company and the Union shall meet without delay to
agree how many non-A&P positions (other than those identified in Article 11.2) constitutes a
reasonable number to assist in the performance of the “Câ€￾ check and related work, and on the
pay, work rules and benefits that will enable the Company to hire such reasonable number of
mechanics.


LOOK non-A&P positions we even have jobs for MR-700
DELL we have it in our contract to cover the return of c checks!!!

 

[Bird Doctor]

Show the boards proof of this ever happening.
Don't waste your time as it never has and you are lying.

700UW you are the Pinocchioing one.
Tell us how there where deletion to your contract 8 months after you voted on it?
Look >>>> http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/M_R...ft_9_07_05_.pdf if you notice pages 224-261 37 pages of changes to your contract after the vote. Even a LETTER OF AGREEMENT deleted.
OH but as you say this never happened??
View attachment 4165


It will not happen with the IBT
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/usa..._Side_Agreement[1].pdf