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One of the primary reasons other airlines do not pair pilots and FAs is because they can schedule the FAs on trips the pilots are, per FAA rules, unable to fly. NW is a big fan of scheduling FAs DTW-SEA-DTW or MSP-SEA-MSP in one day. Very frequently when I take the evening flight from DTW or MSP, the FAs are also working the red eye back. The pilots, on the DTW leg at least, would be over their eight hour day and so the pilots get swapped in SEA.
I see the HP crews very frequently working flights like SEA-PHL-LAS or PHX-PHL-SEA in one day, with a pilot swap in PHL.
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That would be the senior mamas.
Seems like one could get their monthly time in faster if they are flying instead of sitting in hotel rooms, so I'm not surprised.
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That's because closing the BOS base isn't really cost effective. Most of the RONs remain in BOS, unlike LAS or LGA. Hotel costs in BOS are substantially higher than LAS. In LGA their aren't many main line RONs to justify having a crew base. That is the reason for the picketing. It has nothing to do with company politics or east vs. west.
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The pilot's transition agreement requires an analysis that it's cost effective to close a base, so presumably the company has made that case.
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That's really funny, BB. Of cpourse you meant to be funny, right?
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You do love to read things into my posts, don't you...
The TA does require the company to present an analysis showing that it's cost effective to close a base - are you claiming otherwise?
I said that "presumably" the compnay has made that case (presentation) - are you claiming that they have not? USAPA should be filing a TA grievance rather than picketing then.
Show me where I said anything about the company's analysis having to be accurate or even accepted by USAPA - that's not a requirement of the TA.
Jim
The TA does require the company to present an analysis showing that it's cost effective to close a base - are you claiming otherwise?
I said that "presumably" the compnay has made that case (presentation) - are you claiming that they have not? USAPA should be filing a TA grievance rather than picketing then.
Show me where I said anything about the company's analysis having to be accurate or even accepted by USAPA - that's not a requirement of the TA.
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BB, I know you have never, ever had a single thing positive to say about USAPA, and you are on the right forum with that view. But I have to ask, are you saying pilots and F/As should NOT have picketed last week in BOS? Are you saying they should not have brought local politics into the mix? Are you saying that the only thing they should have done, and by the way will indeed do if necessary, is only have filed a "grievance?." Please. Spare me the condescension. File a grievance "rather" than picketing? That might have been the armchair ALPA warrior in you coming out, but please...you embarrass us all on this one. My real beef is we should have been picketing LAS and LGA at the same time. That said, the effort in BOS was a result of the actual BOS reps and BOS pilots taking control and acting. I guess they too thought the filing of a grievance was not enough.
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Give me a fing break. I have had my share of disagreements with Jim, but he has more sense than 9 out of 10 people that post on here. Go ahead, defend USAPA's action of picketing at BOS, but what good does it do? This pilot group is so fractured that Doug can do as he pleases. Picketing, go ahead and *&** up a rope. We're screwed with the idiots that are leading USAPA.
How did that $40,000-$50,000 Thanksgiving message work out for ya?
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Great - one puts words into my mouth and another takes my words out of context...
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Jim did the pilots a great service when he worked on the ALPA Bid committee, in fact I remember him providing me with very fine help on a bid situation question....years ago. I thank him for that, but note a lot of great guys provided outstanding service while attached to the ALPA teat...not so many now. That is not really fair, as BB was not even on the property for any of "USAPA." He simply does not understand current politics, as evidenced by his latest gaff.
You also don't "get" it. You and others references to "urination" preferences are proof enough you all have not a clue about true union politics. USAPA is here in spite of your ignorance, and will prevail in the end....hundreds of web posts here to the contrary.
RR
We'll see.
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Boo Hoo. Maybe for once you could make a statement based on true unionism, instead of your ultra safe sideline comments. Click that easy chair lever back another notch Jim, and maybe change the channel. You are a good guy, but are so out of touch is it is embarrassing. I challenge you to opine yet again on why it was "bad" for our pilots to picket in BOS. Use your own words sir, and not the skirting around the edges excuses you normally use, to stay out of the line of fire.
RR
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