No carryons allowed on flights from/connecting in UK

[N288AA]

So for now its OK, long as it targets only Muslims? How should we screen them, by their name, look, citizenship? All of which can be altered to fit in better.

Will this profiling include Christians, since they routinely plot and blow up clinics? Blacks there was that sniper shooting people in DC with grad plans for a new society? Whites for there terrorist groups like the KKK.

Fine you want to give up liberty's and freedoms for your own fears. We do not all feel the same way.

They may call themselves Christians but they are far from it. Everything that shines isn't always pure gold.

 

[FA Mikey]

Great, the same argument leading up to the strike. If you don't like it leave. I do like it here. I do value my freedom, and everything envisioned by the founding fathers of this country.

I am not leaving or bending to some other peoples fear and weakness. I plan to live today as I have everyday. If you want to trade freedom and liberty for your supposed safety. Go for it, just not here. The sad part is you are only willing to trade someone else's rights. But just how long from theirs ending to yours ending? Never happen? Time and history has proven other wise.

Remember the Declaration of independence its inalienable rights and equality for all.

Jefferson's wrote "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

They may call themselves Christians but they are far from it. Everything that shines isn't always pure gold.

Guess we could add muslims VS the terror extremists to that as well.

 

[Hopeful]

Great, the same argument leading up to the strike. If you don't like it leave. I do like it here. I do value my freedom, and everything envisioned by the founding fathers of this country.

I am not leaving or bending to some other peoples fear and weakness. I plan to live today as I have everyday. If you want to trade freedom and liberty for your supposed safety. Go for it, just not here. The sad part is you are only willing to trade someone else's rights. But just how long from theirs ending to yours ending? Never happen? Time and history has proven other wise.

Remember the Declaration of independence its inalienable rights and equality for all.

Jefferson's wrote "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Guess we could add muslims VS the terror extremists to that as well.

Sorry, Mikey Boy....but anyone who wishes to blow up aircraft killing hundreds maybe thousands of innocent people IS NOT EQUAL TO ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FA Mikey]

Someone who would do that, someone who would kill or hurt anyone is the absolute scum of the earth. No question. But it is not possible or practical to single out and alienate a segment of our population, and to say because of some circumstance you have fewer rights and freedoms.

My point again is its a one way street and you can never go back. Soon its more and more the government needs.

Think of it on a smaller scale like your CBA. And the company saying just for a short we need to cut this work one rule. Its OK because its only affecting the overnight crew. How long until that spreads to morning and afternoon shift.

Come to think of it, we already all have. Anyone believe that they will ever achieve parity to what they had? Will the APA, APFA, or TWU and any of its members be the same?

 

[Hopeful]

Bear in mind that all of the documents that defined the United States of America, the Declaration of Independence, the, Consititution, the Bill of Rights, etc....were all written when ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST TERRORISTS WERE NOT EVEN AN IMAGINEABLE THOUGHT.

So should we be allowed to board aircraft packing a Beretta 9mm because the founding fathers granted us to the right to bear arms and form militias?

 

[FA Mikey]

I assume since you cannot make a reasonable point. Go for the ridiculous.

They did not have to imagine an Islamic fundamentalist threat. They did know though the power of religion and it effects on government, and politics.

They created a living document called the bill of rights. So far we have added 27 amendments to it. The great part though is that reasonable and intelligent people have yet used it to curtail rights rather than expand them.

 

[Vortilon]

Someone who would do that, someone who would kill or hurt anyone is the absolute scum of the earth. No question. But it is not possible or practical to single out and alienate a segment of our population, and to say because of some circumstance you have fewer rights and freedoms.

My point again is its a one way street and you can never go back. Soon its more and more the government needs.

Think of it on a smaller scale like your CBA. And the company saying just for a short we need to cut this work one rule. Its OK because its only affecting the overnight crew. How long until that spreads to morning and afternoon shift.

Come to think of it, we already all have. Anyone believe that they will ever achieve parity to what they had? Will the APA, APFA, or TWU and any of its members be the same?

Mikey,

The rule book has changed with these folks. They are using our own politically correct laws to take advantage of us. They see people like you and laugh at your ignorance of their agenda. Lets face it, they are playing dirty. Their fellow believers may not be guilty of actually committing acts of violence - yet; however, their silence on the acts committed is deafening. They are enablers, who put their religion above the very country they live in. So if they have to deal with a little more obvious scrutiny, they have only themselves to blame. B)

 

[Hopeful]

I assume since you cannot make a reasonable point. Go for the ridiculous.

They did not have to imagine an Islamic fundamentalist threat. They did know though the power of religion and it effects on government, and politics.

They created a living document called the bill of rights. So far we have added 27 amendments to it. The great part though is that reasonable and intelligent people have yet used it to curtail rights rather than expand them.

Mikey, I think you need to loosen up your Burka and get some fresh air.

 

[FA Mikey]

Mikey, I think you need to loosen up your Burka and get some fresh air.

So I am right you have nothing but snippy one liners and no substantive point or argument correct?

 

[avek00]

Mikey, you are 100% right. The arguments from the other side are based on emotion with a twinge of anti-Islamic sentiment, and are logically deficient when subjected to even TSA-like levels of critical scrutiny.

 

[Hopeful]

So I am right you have nothing but snippy one liners and no substantive point or argument correct?

You are the one who hasn't read the other posts here. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED and you are more concerned with people removing there shoes to board an aircraft because they're toes are private and personal property.

There will be another terrorist attack on US soil and it WILL BE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS WHO DID THE DEED.

You believe that your argument is correct because THOMAS JEFFERSON penned a certain document but those of us opposing your views are anti-semetic and emotional.

Do some research. These islamic fundamentalist do NOT ACCEPT ANY RELIGION OTHER THAN THEIR OWN. So preach to them about tolerance and anti-semetism.
Are you also aware that the Muslim community in the UK and Germany are being encouraged to have as many as 8 children per family?

WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS, MIKEY?

 

[FA Mikey]

You are the one who hasn't read the other posts here. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED and you are more concerned with people removing there shoes to board an aircraft because they're toes are private and personal property.

Nope not true never said that.

There will be another terrorist attack on US soil and it WILL BE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS WHO DID THE DEED.

So what is the anwser?Round up all arabs and put them in to camps?

You believe that your argument is correct because THOMAS JEFFERSON penned a certain document but those of us opposing your views are anti-semetic and emotional.

Nope never said that. Anti-semetic got in here how? You are the first to bring it up, unless that is more of the bait and switch, change the subject.

Do some research. These islamic fundamentalist do NOT ACCEPT ANY RELIGION OTHER THAN THEIR OWN. So preach to them about tolerance and anti-semetism.

Almost every war or dark time in human time has been perpitrated by so called religious people or in the name of God. This is nothing new.

Are you also aware that the Muslim community in the UK and Germany are being encouraged to have as many as 8 children per family?

So what, your fear is over population? Or that every muslim is a terrorist?

WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS, MIKEY?

called simply fear mongering.

 

[TWAnr]

Admittedly, El Al uses access controls and behavioral profiling systems that WORK. None of this mumbo-jumbo about presupposing who is a terrorist or what a terrorist looks like - EVERY person is thoroughly screened and assessed for risk behaviors, as ANY person could be a terrorist or in use by a terrorist.

El Al security follows a threat tree; a series of questions for each and every individual. Some get more scrutiny than others based on factors including background and history. It makes real security sense for El Al to spend more time investigating young Arab and South Asian males than it does for them to investigate Israeli families.

For example, remember Richard Reid, the would be shoe bomber? the Israelis got a chance to ask Reid a lot of questions, because he flew El Al several months before the flight from Paris to Miami on which he attempted to detonate his bomb. They didn't like his answers, so they checked everything in his bags, and everything he was wearing, and then put an armed sky marshal in the seat right next to him.

Take a look at another example. In 1986, a 32-year-old pregnant Irish woman, was about to board an El Al flight from London to Tel Aviv to meet the parents of her fiancé, a Palestinian. She had no idea that the man she was planning to marry had hidden plastic explosives and a detonator in one of her suitcases. Israeli profilers interviewing Murphy found out about her boyfriend, got suspicious, and then discovered the bomb hidden in the false bottom of her bag.

 

[AAStew]

Mike,
You have given up your freedoms. Or at least I have, I just read about the UA diversion and I have tears in my eyes. Why? Because my job has the perception of not being safe anymore, Because of the islamic terrorism, I tend to be afraid. Is it rational? NOt necessarily, but these are not rational people.
Your argument about the "vocal minority" (my words not yours, just infered), does not ring true. I HAD close friends who were muslim, more than one stated that the USA brought this upon themselves. Of about 10 friends only one condemned the actions of 9/11. They are no longer my friends, they probably never were. These were "educated" muslims,not your typical street rats that are commiting these acts.
How dare you defend this group. They have killed your coworkers. They are the root cause of the financial downturn ofter 9/11. Someone else also mentioned if 80% of our male flight attendants who are gay were in their countries, they would most certainly be executed.
I believe you really need to think long and hard and not take the PC route just because you have every other time.

 

[FA Mikey]

Mike,
You have given up your freedoms. Or at least I have, I just read about the UA diversion and I have tears in my eyes. Why? Because my job has the perception of not being safe anymore, Because of the islamic terrorism, I tend to be afraid. Is it rational? NOt necessarily, but these are not rational people.

story hereLooks like a case of claustrophobia.

Your argument about the "vocal minority" (my words not yours, just infered), does not ring true. I HAD close friends who were muslim, more than one stated that the USA brought this upon themselves. Of about 10 friends only one condemned the actions of 9/11. They are no longer my friends, they probably never were. These were "educated" muslims,not your typical street rats that are commiting these acts.
How dare you defend this group. They have killed your coworkers. They are the root cause of the financial downturn ofter 9/11. Someone else also mentioned if 80% of our male flight attendants who are gay were in their countries, they would most certainly be executed.
I believe you really need to think long and hard and not take the PC route just because you have every other time.

Defend them or their actions no way. please post for me where I have defended them or their actions.

I am defending my life liberty and freedom. I will not be part of limiting freedom for the illusion of freedom. It simply doesn't work. Terror has existed since the 11th century. Look no further than the war on drugs and tell me this is workable or winnable.

Our poilcys in Iraq and towards Iran, build