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Any suggestions of what to do with this nutcase? He sure is trying to push everyone's button. And should it be just the US dealing with him. Isn't this guy a threat to everyone? I don't think Japan is too thrilled about this either.
 
Overt would work too.....

Remember a few years ago that train that exploded like all hell in Korea? was destined for Syria and was some bad Ju-Ju weapons stuff there.

As far as Japan is concerned....they may have nuke capability....One of Tom Clancy's books leaned that way....he usually writes based on good info even though they're novels...makes one wonder.
 
Any suggestions of what to do with this nutcase? He sure is trying to push everyone's button. And should it be just the US dealing with him. Isn't this guy a threat to everyone? I don't think Japan is too thrilled about this either.

i suppose a dispassionate view would indicate that they have the "right" to nuclear weapons. it has never been clear to me why the u.s. cares.

asia has an inherently unstable political structure, but clearly the chinese need to solve this. they never will unless the u.s. is prepared to withdraw troops from s. korea and allow japan to go nuclear. that would get the s. koreans, chinese and about everyone in asia really excited. at which point the chinese and south koreans have a very simple calculation to make...do they want a nuclear japan or a non-nuclear japan?

if they desire the later, they can pretty quickly place unbearable pressure on the lil nk dictator.

the involvement of the u.s. in these negotiations and the assumption the u.s. forces will remain in s.korea and japan prevents clarity in the chinese decision making.

get the u.s. troops out..or threaten it...and watch everyone jump....
 
Any suggestions of what to do with this nutcase? He sure is trying to push everyone's button. And should it be just the US dealing with him. Isn't this guy a threat to everyone? I don't think Japan is too thrilled about this either.


His papa was nuts and he is nuts as well!
Just be happy that he has no offspring and hopefully his legacy will die with him!

B) UT
 
Well looks like the Hobbit did it!

North Korea claims nuclear weapons test
Pyongyang's neighbors condemn act, U.N. expected to discuss on Monday

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15190745/?GT1=8618

...and the World expects the UN to take action. :lol:

i suppose a dispassionate view would indicate that they have the "right" to nuclear weapons. it has never been clear to me why the u.s. cares.

Yea I guess you have a point, I mean why should we care if a Mentally unstable dictator has the ability to split an atom?
 
In reference to Drunken Ducks Comments.

I agree with him in respect to N Koreas rights. They are a sovereign nation and like it or not, are entitled to run their affairs as they see fit.

Having said that. I, like most others am a bit uncomfortable with the idea of N Korea having the bomb. I am uncomfortable with anyone having the bomb. We are the only ones who have used the weapon (2 times) in an act of war. So I am not to sure how much credibility our statements carry. Do as I say and not as I do does not have a great track record. Russia and the US started this race to Armageddon, not sure why we think we can prevent others from jumping on.
 
Russia and the US started this race to Armageddon, not sure why we think we can prevent others from jumping on.
Its common knowlege Germany was well on their own path to the Nuke club prior to their defeat,and little Adolph most likely would not have hesitated to use it.I believe they were months from having a workable device.

NK is a known supporter of terrorism and has been linked to past acts.Worry now is his giving weapons covertly to his 'friends'..... 😉
 
Its common knowlege Germany was well on their own path to the Nuke club prior to their defeat,and little Adolph most likely would not have hesitated to use it.I believe they were months from having a workable device.

NK is a known supporter of terrorism and has been linked to past acts.Worry now is his giving weapons covertly to his 'friends'..... 😉


While the Nazis may have been on the path, they were not at the point that the US was at and given the situation that Germany was in at the end of the war, it is unlikely that they would have succeeded. I did a google search anf the results that I read do not support your thesis.

While what you say may be true, it does not address the issue that N Korea is a sovereign nations and is entitled to run it’s affairs as it sees fit. By the way, the US is one of the largest arms dealers in the world along with Russia an China.

As much as the US would like to be in control of every thing and everyone, this is not going to happen. One of these days, the US will no longer be a super power and we will be the ones doing the bidding of our master. I for one hope they do not treat us the way we have treated the rest of the world but I fear that too is wishful thinking.
 
While the Nazis may have been on the path, they were not at the point that the US was at and given the situation that Germany was in at the end of the war, it is unlikely that they would have succeeded. I did a google search anf the results that I read do not support your thesis.

Those pesky b-24's and b-17's didn't help...if it weren't for them we may sprechun zie deutsch?

A book published in Italy is set to reignite a smouldering controversy over how close the Nazis came to manufacturing a nuclear device in the closing stages of World War II.

The author, Luigi Romersa, 88, is the last known witness to what he and some historians believe was the experimental detonation of a rudimentary weapon on an island in the Baltic in 1944.

Hitler's nuclear program has become a subject of intense dispute in recent months, particularly in Germany. An independent historian, Rainer Karlsch, met a barrage of hostility when he published a study containing evidence that the Nazis had got much further than previously believed.

On October 12, 1944, Romersa, then a 27-year-old war correspondent, was taken to the island of Rugen, where he watched the detonation of what his hosts called a "disintegration bomb".

"They took me to a concrete bunker with an aperture of exceptionally thick glass. There was a slight tremor in the bunker; a sudden, blinding flash, and then a thick cloud of smoke. It took the shape of a column and then that of a big flower.

"The officials there told me we had to remain in the bunker for several hours because of the effects of the bomb. When we eventually left, they made us put on a sort of coat and trousers which seemed to me to be made of asbestos and we went to the scene of the explosion.

"The effects were tragic. The trees around had been turned to carbon. No leaves. Nothing alive. There were some animals - sheep - in the area and they too had been burnt to cinders."

When he wrote of his experiences after the war, "everyone said I was mad". By then, it was universally accepted that Hitler's scientists had been years away from testing a nuclear device.

However, documents published recently by Mr Karlsch and a US scholar, Mark Walker, have punctured this consensus. Russian archives have shown one of the German scientists lodged a patent claim for a plutonium bomb as early as 1941 and, in June, the two historians published an article in Physics World that included what they said was the first diagram of one of the bombs Hitler's scientists were trying to build, a device that exploited both fission and fusion.

A subject of gross debate....

The world just got lucky that quite a few of the famous scientists (most of them were Jewish) fled Germany after Hitler seized power in 1933. I’m quite certain that if Albert Einstein hadn’t left for the U.S. in 1933, the Fuhrer would have got the bomb as early as 1941. In that case the Nazis would have unleashed hell,â€￾ said Laffner.
 
Those pesky b-24's and b-17's didn't help...if it weren't for them we may sprechun zie deutsch?
A subject of gross debate....


Yes and if pigs flew they would be more difficult to catch. The bottom line is that the Nazi's (according to accepted history) did not have and would not have obtained the bomb at the rate the war was progressing.

As for Romersa, until there is independent verification of what he claims, I will leave judgment on that alone.

And again I ask, what does this have to do with a sovereign nation obtaining nuclear capabilities?
 
And again I ask, what does this have to do with a sovereign nation obtaining nuclear capabilities?

Because he is a nut!!!
Certifiable totalitarian nutcase!
His 'papa' was a nut and he is as well.
If your think he is not a 'nut' then provide something to prove that he is at least a poor politician and not a 'nut'.
Have you ever heard of ‘Potemkin Village’?
Have you stood in Panmunjom and looked at the N. Korean hard cases?

He is a 'nut'!!!
Would you feel comfortable with this 'nut' having a nuke?

UT
 

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