Northworst

[BabyBus]

They palnned so far in advance for the mechanic stike. There was no good faith. How can anyone work with such an evil empire?
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[Bagbelt]

The bus left on this a while ago, but long story short, there are a whole culture of people in this land of ours who believe that the benefits and pay that was the envy of working people everywhere had to be stopped. Only the wealthy in our society are entitled to make money, the rest of us will have to learn to "compete". The same people who tell others how to raise their kids while working 3 jobs.

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

They palnned so far in advance for the mechanic stike. There was no good faith. How can anyone work with such an evil empire?
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Ya know, something about this "good faith bargaining" statement rings of hypocracy. What was AMFA's contingency plan if talks failed? I believe the vote was to strike, and they let NWA know it. Fair enough, and in good faith.
NWA contingency plan if talks failed was to replace AMFA, and they made no secret about it, also fair enough and in good faith. Both sides had contingency plans, both sides told the other of such plans, and both sides carried out said plans. The fact that one side was much more prepared than the other does not constitute bad faith, merely good planning.

 

[jenny@nw]

Ya know, something about this "good faith bargaining" statement rings of hypocracy. What was AMFA's contingency plan if talks failed? I believe the vote was to strike, and they let NWA know it. Fair enough, and in good faith.
NWA contingency plan if talks failed was to replace AMFA, and they made no secret about it, also fair enough and in good faith. Both sides had contingency plans, both sides told the other of such plans, and both sides carried out said plans. The fact that one side was much more prepared than the other does not constitute bad faith, merely good planning.

I think the point may be: was it ethical?

 

[PlayTheOdds]

I think the point may be: was it ethical?

🙂 I like her.
Was it? I think that is based on the infamous, "That’s a matter of opinion and everybody has one." Was it ethical for NWA to have a contingency plan that would basically devastate its mechanics that had decades with the company but upheld its union above and beyond any type of rational?

Was it Ethical for AMFA to lead its members into an abyss because it was so hell bent on sticking to its motto "No Concessions"?

Would it have been ethical for NWA to stay on its course and do nothing until it was forced into chapter 7 destroying at least 30,000 jobs?

Was it Ethical for AMFA to lose 4500 jobs instead of 2300?

Oh this could go on and on. I guess it just determines on what side of the fence you are on. Be careful testing it sometimes you'll get a hell of a shock. Isn't that right Dea?

 

[jenny@nw]

🙂 I like her.
Was it? I think that is based on the infamous, "That’s a matter of opinion and everybody has one." Was it ethical for NWA to have a contingency plan that would basically devastate its mechanics that had decades with the company but upheld its union above and beyond any type of rational?

Was it Ethical for AMFA to lead its members into an abyss because it was so hell bent on sticking to its motto "No Concessions"?

Would it have been ethical for NWA to stay on its course and do nothing until it was forced into chapter 7 destroying at least 30,000 jobs?

Was it Ethical for AMFA to lose 4500 jobs instead of 2300?

Oh this could go on and on. I guess it just determines on what side of the fence you are on. Be careful testing it sometimes you'll get a hell of a shock. Isn't that right Dea?

you don't have to like me that much. <_<

I bite.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

you don't have to like me that much. <_<
I bite.

😱 😉 😀 I gotta go to bed you guys are killing me. PTO signing off.

 

[jenny@nw]

😱 😉 😀 I gotta go to bed you guys are killing me. PTO signing off.

*chomp* *chomp* *chomp*

 

[robbedagain]

Jenny, since pto doesnt know how to answer your simple question, I'll answer it for you. It was unethical what NWA did. They never had any intention on negogiating in GOOD FAITH. They knew that they wanted to get rid of AMFA and sadly enough it happened. I do know of many people who wont fly NWA due to NWA inefficent way of handling any situations such as the AMFA strike. Regardless of what that scab PTO says, NWA is not a safe and not a reliable airline.

 

[jenny@nw]

Jenny, since pto doesnt know how to answer your simple question, I'll answer it for you. It was unethical what NWA did. They never had any intention on negogiating in GOOD FAITH. They knew that they wanted to get rid of AMFA and sadly enough it happened. I do know of many people who wont fly NWA due to NWA inefficent way of handling any situations such as the AMFA strike. Regardless of what that scab PTO says, NWA is not a safe and not a reliable airline.

well .... yes if you add it all together you can tell NW did push AMFA into a strike and I sort of believe the people at the top of AMFA really didn't understand what NW was trying to do.

Well about being "safe"... I personally know a scab that had worked on the NW and CO and he told me himself he would never put his mom on those airlines....

About reliablility... well, I went to look at prices for tickets and I see "60% on time" or "80% on time"...
that's interesting. No matter how the pilots route the plane I guess it will always be late!

 

[Necrophilias]

well .... yes if you add it all together you can tell NW did push AMFA into a strike and I sort of believe the people at the top of AMFA really didn't understand what NW was trying to do.

Well about being "safe"... I personally know a scab that had worked on the NW and CO and he told me himself he would never put his mom on those airlines....

About reliablility... well, I went to look at prices for tickets and I see "60% on time" or "80% on time"...
that's interesting. No matter how the pilots route the plane I guess it will always be late!

Ethical in this case would be defined as "Conforming to accepted professional standards of conduct".

Errr...what's wrong with this picture? HA HA HA! The NWA executives' standard of conduct isn't even on the same planet as the ethical norm.

As for the SCABS, I'm not sure any one of them could stand to look into the metaphorical mirror of ethics.

SCABS DESTINED FOR FAILURE, PNG LABELING AND MOST APPROPRIATE OF ALL...THE CITY DUMP! LOL

 

[groundcontrol]

Jenny, since pto doesnt know how to answer your simple question, I'll answer it for you. It was unethical what NWA did. They never had any intention on negogiating in GOOD FAITH. They knew that they wanted to get rid of AMFA and sadly enough it happened. I do know of many people who wont fly NWA due to NWA inefficent way of handling any situations such as the AMFA strike. Regardless of what that scab PTO says, NWA is not a safe and not a reliable airline.

Robbed....It is funny how PTO answered Jenny's one question with 5 more questions and not one answer. He should do real well at the HR meeting. NOT

Also, since Jenny is a f/a with Northworst I'm sure she wasn't expecting an answer any way. Or perhaps she was looking for a SCABS perspective on the question. Of course Jen you can read past bloggs to get that.

I have a question or more for you Jenny. I've been to your website and there seems to be an awful lot of in fighting amoungst you F/A's. Do you feel perhaps you (f/a's) should have walked when the AMFA mechanics were forced to the streets? Do you feel your careers are over? (Meaning they will never be what they used to be.) I don't know your seniority, but do you feel the f/a's will do the ethical thing (which to me is to do what AMFA did, stand up for all Amfa members not just save the positions at the top) or do you think your fellow brothers and sisters will sell each other out?

Just curious at where you stand. Welcome to the forum.
ps anyone visiting Jenny's forum should read the rules first. She will have no mention of monkey butts. LOL

 

[jenny@nw]

Robbed....It is funny how PTO answered Jenny's one question with 5 more questions and not one answer. He should do real well at the HR meeting. NOT

Also, since Jenny is a f/a with Northworst I'm sure she wasn't expecting an answer any way. Or perhaps she was looking for a SCABS perspective on the question. Of course Jen you can read past bloggs to get that.

I have a question or more for you Jenny. I've been to your website and there seems to be an awful lot of in fighting amoungst you F/A's. Do you feel perhaps you (f/a's) should have walked when the AMFA mechanics were forced to the streets? Do you feel your careers are over? (Meaning they will never be what they used to be.) I don't know your seniority, but do you feel the f/a's will do the ethical thing (which to me is to do what AMFA did, stand up for all Amfa members not just save the positions at the top) or do you think your fellow brothers and sisters will sell each other out?

Just curious at where you stand. Welcome to the forum.
ps anyone visiting Jenny's forum should read the rules first. She will have no mention of monkey butts. LOL

Which website? The airlinecrew or this "blog"?

Well if you have visted the place where I do moderate, you would have noticed (like my mx friend did) that I'm for the mechanics. - not the "scabanics"

and face it, PFAA, ALPA, and IAM et. al are in essence: scab unions. (so this means I'm a scab, huh?)

I think, in part the fighting stems from everyone not being unified.

This stems from (what I believe) is this "in house propagana" that many of us were subjected to.

For example during August my centry email was bombarded with messages from in-flight telling us if we strike with the mechanics there is no recourse and we would essentialy be fired.

So, already we have a rife within our group. some people actually believed in that!

Some people have said
"I'm not going to walk! Those mechanics are not going to ruin my livelyhood! "
to
"I'm going to vote yes! We need to stick together!"

I feel personaly PFAA failed to inform us of anything that we could of done. No leadership. People I've flown with all think the same...



We also voted to strike if the negotiations fell through.
However, interestingly, only half of us voted. (huh? do we not care?)


I have heard from people who have flown for 20+ years telling me that they see their carrier being "over".
Many people are talking about school and what they are going to do next.


I voted in August to strike with the MX. I sure the hell did and I'm damn proud of it. What's interesting is no one seems to know the "real number" on the % who voted to strike.

Wouldn't you agree there's no unity among all of us?

for senority, let's just say I've been around for 17 yrs- I know the NWA police patrol these sites so I'm a bit ambiguous.

as for the Scabs... how can they wear that nasty blue unifoms? it's disgusting.

Everyone has their reasons for scabbing. But scabbing just ruins the whole point of striking. If we don't stick together it's all going to fall apart. Some of these people (like the guy who said they wouldn't put their mom on NW or CO) didn't understand that they worked for a "scab company".

It is also my belief is that NW created this atmosphere on purpose, using the "Divide and Conquer" scheme... and I think it's working.... unfortunately.

I believe we need to mobilize and work together and be unified in order to be sucessful.

At least the people I know didn't scab. They all found good decent jobs that some of them even pay more than what the scabs at NW are making.

I personally wouldn't work for NW without union protection.... after seeing some of my co workers get screwed but was able to come back through the union...

 

[PlayTheOdds]

as for the Scabs... how can they wear that nasty blue unifoms? it's disgusting.

What’s wrong with the uniforms? The only nasty part of the uniform is the ignorant reflective vest that is absolutely useless. Now that is embarrassing to wear. Especially when you are working on a loaded aircraft with passengers. Even after you wash the things they are dingy and grungy. It bothered me at first and still does to a degree but oh well. It's NWA's passengers I am rubbing up against when I have to work my way down the isle of a boarding aircraft. If they don't care I don't see why I should. It does still bug me though.

Everyone has their reasons for scabbing. But scabbing just ruins the whole point of striking. If we don't stick together it's all going to fall apart. Some of these people (like the guy who said they wouldn't put their mom on NW or CO) didn't understand that they worked for a "scab company".

This wouldn't be the same scab that was fired just after the strike then went on T.V. and told the nation that he, an FAA Certified A&P Mechanic was incapable of changing a tire, would it? He made the whole "craft" across the country look like it was filled with a bunch of bumbling idiots.

Just for the record I have six family members on my flight benefit list and they have all flown on NWA now at least twice and look forward to enjoying more flights. I have no qualms at all about letting my family fly Northwest. I myself fly NWA just about every week now and have yet had any problems other than being bumped a couple of time and spending an extra hour or two at the airport. You guys killed that extra wait time quick.

 

[robbedagain]

What’s wrong with the uniforms? The only nasty part of the uniform is the ignorant reflective vest that is absolutely useless. Now that is embarrassing to wear. Especially when you are working on a loaded aircraft with passengers. Even after you wash the things they are dingy and grungy. It bothered me at first and still does to a degree but oh well. It's NWA's passengers I am rubbing up against when I have to work my way down the isle of a boarding aircraft. If they don't care I don't see why I should. It does still bug me though.


This wouldn't be the same scab that was fired just after the strike then went on T.V. and told the nation that he, an FAA Certified A&P Mechanic was incapable of changing a tire, would it? He made the whole "craft" across the country look like it was filled with a bunch of bumbling idiots.

Just for the record I have six family members on my flight benefit list and they have all flown on NWA now at least twice and look forward to enjoying more flights. I have no qualms at all about letting my family fly Northwest. I myself fly NWA just about every week now and have yet had any problems other than being bumped a couple of time and spending an extra hour or two at the airport. You guys killed that extra wait time quick.

actually, the same bumbling idiot scab is just one of all the bumbling idiot scabs that are suppose to be fixing planes but instead are the ones who look like theyre fixing the planes just them look like theyre working. I believe Jenny in an earlier post told the board that a scab wouldnt put their own family members on a NWA plane. boy that sure speaks loud and clear about the shoddy maintaince going on at NWA! anyways I know a number of people who dont like NWA uniforms and sure as heck wont fly NWA due to its UNSAFE and UNRELIABLE CONDITIONS