Not Getting the 4% Right Away is Actually an Advantage for MX

[NYer]

Ideally, The NMB produces a ballot with the TWU, IAM, and the "Write In".  Then, the top two vote getters go into a run off.  That would be the TWU and the AMFA.  Then it's goodbye TWU.

 
Been saying good-bye to the TWU for 54 years. Keep trying.
 
The NMB only declares a vote for the organization that applied for the Single Transportation System, which is the Association. There won't be a TWU or IAM option unless someone supplies a bunch of cards and that includes AMFA.

 

[NYer]

I suspect the "leadership" you are referring to over and over again is Bob Owens.  Last time I checked he is only the treasurer. 
I would think that fleet service would be happy to rid themselves of the mechanic group. 

 
He is not the only one that has mentioned the 40% target.
 
Why would Fleet care what choices Maintenance makes for itself.

 

[MetalMover]

 
Apparently Metal, in your opinion, the Association, the TWU, the IAM and the AFL-CIO are not to be supported...therefore, no matter what happens you'd be upset and calling for change.
 
Do you know what that makes you? Irrelevant. You're going to be anti-whatever, so why even listen to your contradictory arguments.

That is my right to want change.
I am anti the TWU because they have screwed the mechanic work group for decades. You are at the top of industry. We are not. 
And before you reply with "well you guys voted it in," it had been so because of the TWU dividing the mechanic group to get crap contracts passed that usually favored TULE.
Btw, I was ready to vote for the Teamsters had they not screwed us.

 

[MetalMover]

 
He is not the only one that has mentioned the 40% target.
 
Why would Fleet care what choices Maintenance makes for itself.

You apparently act as if you have skin in the game.
You seem to have a lot to say against AMFA......So why do you care what we do or who we try to represent us?

 

[NYer]

You apparently act as if you have skin in the game.
You seem to have a lot to say against AMFA......So why do you care what we do or who we try to represent us?

 
Just part of the conversation, isn't that what blogs are about.

 

[MetalMover]

 
Just part of the conversation, isn't that what blogs are about.

Exactly, so you'll just have to put up with my anti TWU stance. 

 

[Vortilon]

 
Been saying good-bye to the TWU for 54 years. Keep trying.
 
The NMB only declares a vote for the organization that applied for the Single Transportation System, which is the Association. There won't be a TWU or IAM option unless someone supplies a bunch of cards and that includes AMFA.

 
 
NMB has never dealt with a case like this, where no vote by the membership was taken - to approve the JCBA as our representative.  Now, 21 weeks later, the NMB is still trying to come up with a legit excuse to use to screw the AA AMTs again. 

 

[Vortilon]

 
He is not the only one that has mentioned the 40% target.
 
Why would Fleet care what choices Maintenance makes for itself.

 
 
Why indeed.  Well, Fleets negotiators have traditionally just went into negotiations and done the "me too" dance for whatever the AMTs got.  Now that AA's AMTs pay & benefits suck so bad, even Fleets negotiators are having to actually negotiate.

 

[Bob Owens]

 
Been saying good-bye to the TWU for 54 years. Keep trying.
 
The NMB only declares a vote for the organization that applied for the Single Transportation System, which is the Association. There won't be a TWU or IAM option unless someone supplies a bunch of cards and that includes AMFA.

Ok so a group known as the Association applied for SOC, where is the showing of interest? I never saw any cards being passed around for an Association nor was there an internal vote like with the IBT/CWA deal. 

 

[Bob Owens]

And more mechanics by far.

Well not by far anymore and with less than 3000 A&Ps a year coming out of the system they are an asett, not a liability. 

 

[Bob Owens]

To be clear I do not want the TWU, the alliance or the IAM.....Having said this, I do believe that there should be a vote between the TWU, IAM and "OTHER" if enough of "other" cards are collected. I am so anti alliance that I believe they should not have succumbed to the AFL-CIO's Trumka request to "share" us and should have just said no to him. they should have just agreed to go with the larger union as the pilots and FA's did. Then I would still continue to push and support for a change of representation,
Two unions sharing members and having them subject to different polices depending on location? Cmon, NYer, this alliance is going to be disastrous for all of us.

The Trumka request is BS, the AFL-CIO works for the Unions, not the other way around. If Trumka asked its because Little and Buffy asked him to ask. Little was worried that with any election that the IBT or AMFA could have collected enough cards without a doctored headcount figure to prevent a vote. IBT could have conceivably walked away with everyone, Fleet, stores and maintenance. The IAM had just dodged a bullet with the IBT, with each retirement another IAMNPF hostage leaves. 

 

[MetalMover]

The Trumka request is BS, the AFL-CIO works for the Unions, not the other way around. If Trumka asked its because Little and Buffy asked him to ask. Little was worried that with any election that the IBT or AMFA could have collected enough cards without a doctored headcount figure to prevent a vote. IBT could have conceivably walked away with everyone, Fleet, stores and maintenance. The IAM had just dodged a bullet with the IBT, with each retirement another IAMNPF hostage leaves. 

 It is not BS. He undoubtedly had a hand in the association...Ok. so he "urged" them to do so rather than fight each other.....We will never know if Little and Buffy asked him to intervene to thwart another AMFA attempt.
 
here's the Trumka letter
 
http://www.iam141.org/docs/Trumka.Letter.pdf

 

[Rogallo]

here's the Trumka letter
 
http://www.iam141.org/docs/Trumka.Letter.pdf

 
Talk about IGM. It usually starts at the top!
 
Thanks for posting the link.

 

[MetalMover]

 
Talk about IGM. It usually starts at the top!
 
Thanks for posting the link.

Yet there are those who want this BS alliance. 

 

[Bob Owens]

 It is not BS. He undoubtedly had a hand in the association...Ok. so he "urged" them to do so rather than fight each other.....We will never know if Little and Buffy asked him to intervene to thwart another AMFA attempt.
 
here's the Trumka letter
 
http://www.iam141.org/docs/Trumka.Letter.pdf

Another factor may have been that Little may not have been confident that his members wouldn't sign IAM cards. 
 
I think they asked him to write that.