NW/DL deal in "jeopardy?"
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"One of the people close to the talks said Tuesday night that a small group of Northwest seniority list pilot negotiators want thousands of young Delta pilots to go to the bottom of the combined seniority list as part of agreeing to a deal on seniority."
ALPA pilots wanting to staple other ALPA pilots? 😱
I thought only the big bad Sky Nazi types wielded the stapler...
ALPA pilots wanting to staple other ALPA pilots? 😱
I thought only the big bad Sky Nazi types wielded the stapler...
jimntx
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Yeah. I thought the advantage to being an AFL-CIO affiliated union was all mergers/acquisitions, etc. were strictly DOH.
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Gee, what a surprise, after all United is the one that screwed the system (DOH) up back with the first usair merge. Have fun kids
WTFO!
Where did you come up with that nonesense? UAL pilots NEVER demanded DOH in the proposed merge with US Air back in 2000. It was the other way around. Sound familiar to what US Airways/American West are currently going through? Get a grip!!!
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Z
Yeah... no kidding! I remember the huge dispute between UAL and US pilots as the US pilots tended to be much more senior than the UAL pilots and the UAL pilots were scared of losing the left chair in their 747's and 777's and those international routes.
And you spelled sky nAAzi wrong. As an AMR employee you should know that anything with an A gets two AA's in the corporate style guide
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UAL tipped the scale at ALPO national in favor of "career expections" instead of DOH if you remember because we were a more senior group. That's what I was talking about.
Hey.. Chill Out
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US and HP pilots are in a pickle, and it seems as your pilots will be the same.
I just think of it this way: It isn't fair for HP pilots, who have worked for a company that is nowhere near as old as US to simply be throw to the bottom of the list. What happens when lay-offs start happening? The senior HP guy is at risk? No, I think they should have some kind of integration.
I'm sure it will be easier for your companies to work this out though, your guys seem more willing to get things ironed out. And props to everyone for doing this BEFORE a merger. We are all in a heap here in HP/US.
I feel this merger would be great for you guys.
I just think of it this way: It isn't fair for HP pilots, who have worked for a company that is nowhere near as old as US to simply be throw to the bottom of the list. What happens when lay-offs start happening? The senior HP guy is at risk? No, I think they should have some kind of integration.
I'm sure it will be easier for your companies to work this out though, your guys seem more willing to get things ironed out. And props to everyone for doing this BEFORE a merger. We are all in a heap here in HP/US.
I feel this merger would be great for you guys.
Being a pilot or F/A in a merger scenario has got to be the messiest work situation to be in. The most senior Delta pilot 2 years ago had no reason to ever think they'd have a shot at left seat in a 744 to Asia. They barely had an expectation of Asia. Conversely, what was the expectation when if comes to a NWA pilot flying 777's to Latin & Atlantic destinations? Then you have the company perspective of not wanting to have to on day one train the most senior DL guy on 744's because he can hold it over some NW guys. I wonder if there's a way to just take each a/c type and segregate the pilots fly that and then integrate within that group? Once that is done, there's a two year moratoreum (or some timeline) by which you can't bid the position except in cases of openings generated by retirements and the subsequent waterfall effect.
jimntx
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From my vast experience of 6 years in a represented job, it seems to me that all the union solidarity is prefaced by the phrase, "you can be first after me."
It's also amazing how one groups preception of Fair will always be construed as unfair by another.
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Kinda' like the DL non-contract employees perception that it would not be fair for the combined DL/NW pilot group to receive up to $100,000 + pay raises for the merger!
"A Delta pilot who was briefed on the talks told the AJC Tuesday that the pilot unions' negotiating committee have hammered out an agreement to give all pilots up to $100,000 stake in the new company.
Northwest pilots would also see pay raises of up to 15 percent to catch up with better-paid Delta pilots, who also would get a modest pay increase, the pilot said. The negotiating committee's agreement would be contingent on union leadership approval now, and ultimately to approval by members of both pilot unions. The membership would have to ratify any pact that merged their two units of the Air Line Pilots Association, the pilot said."
http://www.ajc.com/business/content/busine...age_tab_newstab
I guess DL non-contract employees don't know their worth. They should ask a contract NW employee how valued they are.
Are we to believe these pilots have full reign and that everything they agree on is going to happen? I just don't buy that.
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sorry, disagree... date-of-hire is the only fair way. if you have gotten up for 20 years and put that uniform on as a loyal employee day after day, then you are entitled to your 20 years.
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