Nw Members Speak Out!

[Checking it Out]

Reading this BB and looking back I find it funny how the AMFA officials/organizers lies become more glaring and obvious . AMFA misrepresented every possible angle or issue to screw the mechanics AND BETTER THEMSELVES..

In July of 2000 the Amfa officials/organizers John Flanagan, Jim Seitz and George Guilford preached that the mechanics were under paid and over worked. Their typical claims were that mechanics could get jobs as elevator mechanics, tile setters, auto mechanics ect.ect.ect and make more money and enjoy better working conditions. More rhetoric the amfa officials/organizers spewed was that the mechanics could not vote on the contract without the other workgroups.. To add insult to injury Amfa officials/organizers used an overtime ban to show how powerful they were at the IMC. Their logic was it would be easier for the union and the company to get a deal and it would be harder for them/ amfa to get the cards signed if thing were running smoothly.

Fast forward to 1/2004 the vast majority of the mechanics at the IMC took the AMFA officials/organizers John Flanagan, Jim Seitz and George Guilford advice. In the Indy Star 1/11/04 http://www.indystar.com/business/ Business section is an article about the IMC being shut down How the workers can not find jobs and are leaving their families friends and homes to seek work. Their unemployment benefits are exhausted. It is apparent that the AMFA officials/organizers will tell you anything you want to hear. It is all lies designed to get you to act more on emotions then on logic. Maybe we should have worked more overtime prior to people being laid off. The jobs that the AMFA officials/organizers John Flanagan, Jim Seitz and George Guilford promised were not available for the average A&P mechanic technician. The mechanics voted on the contract by themselves. As a matter of fact they voted by themselves to turn down the pay reductions to try to save their jobs.

Taking the Amfa/Organizers John Flanagan, Jim Seitz and George Guilford advise one more time and voted no. The rest is history read the article. I am sure this story can be told by thousands of mechanics around the country that fell for the AMFA lies. The IAM has some unsavory moments but in the last six years AMFA and if officials/organizers have done more to harm the mechanic group as a whole then any other force in this country. When will these AMFA officials/organizers be held accountable for what they preach and lack of action?

Compliments of Amfanuts .com.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Hey stupid, get your lies straight, they work for UAL, not NW.

 

[Hackman]

Can't keep track of which lie is which eh cio? Sucks to be you. :unsure:

 

[Checking it Out]

Amfanuts is run by NW Mechanics, This was one item out of the many who voice their concerns. I stand by my post. Go read the hundreds of posts complaining about the lack of Invovement. And the fact over 60% of their work is being outsourced now. Over 4250 positions lost at NW. Over 6100 positions lost at United and counting.

 

[Rusty]

Will Sonny HAll or an elected official replacement be there to debate Delle???

 

[Birdman]

AMFAnuts, isn't that the former IAMsourgrapes that just can't get a life? Let's see. 60% - 38% = 22%. That means NWA is paying 3rd party maintenance 22% more than the contract ALLOWS and AMFA 22% as the penalty for going over the contractural limit of 38%. That doesn't seem to make ecomonical sense but if the AMFAnuts think its so why don't they bring the VERIFIABLE DOCUMENTATION down to the Brady on Saturday at 11:00 A.M. and present it for all to see. BTW, how much VERIFIABLE DOCUMENTATION was presented to the TWU faithful today?

Hey TOKYO CIOs, you mean we really had credibility and lost it? Thankyou

 

[Bob Owens]

Will Sonny HAll or an elected official replacement be there to debate Delle???

With the TWU International you cant get an elected official. At least not one elected by the members. Members do not get to vote on International Officers.

 

[Superside]

Amfanuts is run by NW Mechanics, This was one item out of the many who voice their concerns. I stand by my post. Go read the hundreds of posts complaining about the lack of Invovement. And the fact over 60% of their work is being outsourced now. Over 4250 positions lost at NW. Over 6100 positions lost at United and counting.

OH MY GOD! NOW IT'S OVER 60%. Now I have "Informers"
stating over 40%, 50%,Over 50%.... and now this post stating over 60%. WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS STUFF?
I'm having trouble keeping up with your contradictory posts.
BUT....thats how you keep the membership confused isn't it? :down:

 

[Rusty]

With the TWU International you cant get an elected official. At least not one elected by the members. Members do not get to vote on International Officers.

Good point Bob!!! I wonder why Gary Yignst won't debate Delle, he is a mechanic and should know issues concerning our Craft and Class??? I suppose he has some ailment that would not allow him to come.

 

[Jim Martin]

Actually Gary is a Machinist not an A&P Mechanic.

 

[Jim Martin]

Actually Gary is a Machinist not an A&P Mechanic.

 

[TWU informer]

Actually Dave Stewart is a welder and not an A&P, but that is not why he didn't attend the TWU farce.

 

[twuer]

Actually Dave Stewart is a welder and not an A&P, but that is not why he didn't attend the TWU farce.

So, tell us then. . .why didn't "he" attend??? "He" was in the lobby with his partners. Why didn't "he" face the crowd??

Enquiring minds want to know!!

 

[TWU informer]

So, tell us then. . .why didn't "he" attend??? "He" was in the lobby with his partners. Why didn't "he" face the crowd??

Enquiring minds want to know!!

"His" NAME and SIGNATURE is on this letter...

Don’t Expect AMFA or AMFA Organizers to Show at the TWU Debate

January 14, 2004

An open letter to the,
Mechanic and Related Employees at American Airlines..

We write to you today in response to an unsigned letter sent to AMFA’s National Office via fax on December 22nd, 2003 regarding the offer by someone calling themselves, “TEAM TWU†to send a panel of three AA Mechanics that support AMFA to debate at the Renaissance Hotel in Tulsa on January 15th, 2004. Although the letter was faxed to AMFA’s National office, neither O.V. Delle-Femine (National Director) nor any elected official from AMFA National were invited to debate the TWU. And since AMFA was not invited, please do not be fooled into attending a debate expecting AMFA to show. There was no signature on the communication but the letter indicated it was from TWU Local 514/ TEAM TWU. Our attempts to identify “TEAM TWU†turn up empty. The TWU Constitution makes no reference to any structural recognition of this group, and to our knowledge there has never been an election in Tulsa that would identify whom makes up this position or group. We do know however, the TWU Local 514 references the membership of Tulsa Mechanic and Related Workers at American Airlines. Based on the polling conducted by the AMFA Organizers and Supporters in Tulsa, it is clear that TWU Supporters along with AMFA Supporters favor attending a debate between AMFA National and TWU International Representatives. As always, we are responsive to the wishes of the members and therefore, we offered and scheduled the AMFA National Officer vs. TWU International Officer Debate at the Brady Theater on Saturday, January 17th, 2004. Only to have this TEAM TWU to run a subterfuge and try to run cover for the TWU International No Show on Saturday.

AMFA National has a standard policy that any unsigned communications received by their office like the one sent by “TEAM TWUâ€, is undeserving of a response, since this type of communication could be a hoax or a joke, and unless someone is willing to put their name on the correspondence, then they likely are not very serious in their intended communications. However, the importance of this issue is worthy of a diversion from AMFA National’s standard policy and they have now responded. We wish to make it clear that the matter of representational change is no joke. Your livelihood and futures hang in the balance of the decision you will make in the upcoming election. AMFA National’s offer to debate Sonny Hall of the TWU International was a serious attempt to allow the membership of the TWU in Tulsa to see first hand the differences between Craft Unionism versus Industrial Unionism, the structures, and the philosophies, and allow both AMFA National and the TWU International the chance to show the members why each organization feels they could provide better representation for your chosen profession.

The TWU has for months now attacked AMFA by communicating lies, half-truths, fabrications, and personal attacks. AMFA is always willing to defend the AMFA Constitution and the representation currently being provided at eight airlines in the industry. If the TWU International believes they have provided superior representation then why do they fear demonstrating that same confidence by having a structured professional debate with a neutral moderator in front of the membership?

On a local level, our mechanic supporters at American Airlines have proven their superior skills in debating the issues and communicating about AMFA amongst the work group in a mechanic vs. mechanic setting, and that superiority is shown by virtue of the 54% Authorization Cards currently in AMFA National’s possession. This debating by Mechanic vs. Mechanic has taken place for over five years, and now, the TWU wants to hold a similar debate and call it their idea.


On September 12th, 2003 AMFA National Director O.V. Delle-Femine was invited and attended an AMFA informational meeting at the Sheraton Hotel. At that meeting, both Mr. Delle-Femine and AMFA Organizers committed to scheduling a debate between AMFA National and the TWU International. We are men of our word, and that is what we have now offered, with signatures attached to our correspondence demonstrating our seriousness.

The offer still stands today. AMFA National Director and the AMFA National Executive Council Officers plan to be at the Brady Theater on January 17th, 2004. If Sonny Hall and/or Jim Little are not up to the challenge of debating the issues, then AMFA National and your local organizers will be there from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm to answer any questions you may have.

The TWU will attempt to utilize the media and local newspapers to discredit Mechanics at American for not participating in their debate. Once again please do not be fooled by these accusations. We simply do not see what is to be gained by mechanic vs mechanic debate, we believe that the debate must be between AMFA National vs TWU International. We look forward to meeting with you Saturday and Thank you for your patience.

NEW YEAR
NEW UNION
NEW DIRECTION

 

[twuer]

So, tell us then. . .why didn't "he" attend??? "He" was in the lobby with his partners. Why didn't "he" face the crowd??

Enquiring minds want to know!!

"His" NAME and SIGNATURE is on this letter...

Don’t Expect AMFA or AMFA Organizers to Show at the TWU Debate

January 14, 2004

An open letter to the,
Mechanic and Related Employees at American Airlines..

We write to you today in response to an unsigned letter sent to AMFA’s National Office via fax on December 22nd, 2003 regarding the offer by someone calling themselves, “TEAM TWU†to send a panel of three AA Mechanics that support AMFA to debate at the Renaissance Hotel in Tulsa on January 15th, 2004. Although the letter was faxed to AMFA’s National office, neither O.V. Delle-Femine (National Director) nor any elected official from AMFA National were invited to debate the TWU. And since AMFA was not invited, please do not be fooled into attending a debate expecting AMFA to show. There was no signature on the communication but the letter indicated it was from TWU Local 514/ TEAM TWU. Our attempts to identify “TEAM TWU†turn up empty. The TWU Constitution makes no reference to any structural recognition of this group, and to our knowledge there has never been an election in Tulsa that would identify whom makes up this position or group. We do know however, the TWU Local 514 references the membership of Tulsa Mechanic and Related Workers at American Airlines. Based on the polling conducted by the AMFA Organizers and Supporters in Tulsa, it is clear that TWU Supporters along with AMFA Supporters favor attending a debate between AMFA National and TWU International Representatives. As always, we are responsive to the wishes of the members and therefore, we offered and scheduled the AMFA National Officer vs. TWU International Officer Debate at the Brady Theater on Saturday, January 17th, 2004. Only to have this TEAM TWU to run a subterfuge and try to run cover for the TWU International No Show on Saturday.

AMFA National has a standard policy that any unsigned communications received by their office like the one sent by “TEAM TWUâ€, is undeserving of a response, since this type of communication could be a hoax or a joke, and unless someone is willing to put their name on the correspondence, then they likely are not very serious in their intended communications. However, the importance of this issue is worthy of a diversion from AMFA National’s standard policy and they have now responded. We wish to make it clear that the matter of representational change is no joke. Your livelihood and futures hang in the balance of the decision you will make in the upcoming election. AMFA National’s offer to debate Sonny Hall of the TWU International was a serious attempt to allow the membership of the TWU in Tulsa to see first hand the differences between Craft Unionism versus Industrial Unionism, the structures, and the philosophies, and allow both AMFA National and the TWU International the chance to show the members why each organization feels they could provide better representation for your chosen profession.

The TWU has for months now attacked AMFA by communicating lies, half-truths, fabrications, and personal attacks. AMFA is always willing to defend the AMFA Constitution and the representation currently being provided at eight airlines in the industry. If the TWU International believes they have provided superior representation then why do they fear demonstrating that same confidence by having a structured professional debate with a neutral moderator in front of the membership?

On a local level, our mechanic supporters at American Airlines have proven their superior skills in debating the issues and communicating about AMFA amongst the work group in a mechanic vs. mechanic setting, and that superiority is shown by virtue of the 54% Authorization Cards currently in AMFA National’s possession. This debating by Mechanic vs. Mechanic has taken place for over five years, and now, the TWU wants to hold a similar debate and call it their idea.


On September 12th, 2003 AMFA National Director O.V. Delle-Femine was invited and attended an AMFA informational meeting at the Sheraton Hotel. At that meeting, both Mr. Delle-Femine and AMFA Organizers committed to scheduling a debate between AMFA National and the TWU International. We are men of our word, and that is what we have now offered, with signatures attached to our correspondence demonstrating our seriousness.

The offer still stands today. AMFA National Director and the AMFA National Executive Council Officers plan to be at the Brady Theater on January 17th, 2004. If Sonny Hall and/or Jim Little are not up to the challenge of debating the issues, then AMFA National and your local organizers will be there from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm to answer any questions you may have.

The TWU will attempt to utilize the media and local newspapers to discredit Mechanics at American for not participating in their debate. Once again please do not be fooled by these accusations. We simply do not see what is to be gained by mechanic vs mechanic debate, we believe that the debate must be between AMFA National vs TWU International. We look forward to meeting with you Saturday and Thank you for your patience.

NEW YEAR
NEW UNION
NEW DIRECTION

You have got to be kidding me?????!!!!! Did you write that all by yourself Informer??? It took you 3 weeks to come up with that poor excuse for a cop-out????? One day before the debate???????? Give me a break.

Based on the polling conducted by the AMFA Organizers and Supporters in Tulsa, it is clear that TWU Supporters along with AMFA Supporters favor attending a debate between AMFA National and TWU International Representatives.

I didn't participate in any poll. What poll??????? A bit biased don't you think?? Why didn't you have the TWU make their own poll????? Oh, wait, that might have thrown a wrench in your plans.


As always, we are responsive to the wishes of the members

OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!! AMFA supporters you meant to say. Which are not in the majority here.

subterfuge

Quite a big word for you Informer. I had to look that one up! Didn't you use this word in another recent post of yours???

The TWU has for months now attacked AMFA by communicating lies, half-truths, fabrications, and personal attacks.

How hypocritical is that???????????? At least we don't print up someones records and hand them out or keep a copy on hand for reference. Or refer to them as nazis, felons, wife beaters, thieves and all the other names that you have used. That statement alone discredits the whole letter!!!!!!!!!


the TWU wants to hold a similar debate and call it their idea.

We never said it was "our" original idea.

"His" NAME and SIGNATURE is on this letter...

Didn't see a name or signature Informer.

It should be a good show on Saturday. Who will you be keeping out???????