Man, I did not think I would get the dander up on my buddies! WOW! I must say though that I never once gave a "LIMP SPEECH". That makes me laugh because all I was asking for was input/thought. I knew someone would take what I was saying and run with it. I dont however blame you for your opinion. We all have the right to those. BUT.........Come on Kev.......Look back at what I was saying. All I am saying is that I think our guys are smart enough to do this right and not sink the ship. That does not mean that we will give up wages down to JB or Ual even. SO, back up and take a look at my posts. You will find that I have been very very very very diplomatic and not wanted to start a ruckus. I am on your team Kev. I believe we will come out of this ok. I do think it will be a bumpy ride though. Oh, I am not a management mouth piece or a give in as you say. I am a type A, very agressive, fight until I die, man of integrity. I believe that the pilots have given up our share of give backs. I believe we should fight for what is right. I also belive to say, "FULL PAY TO THE LAST DAY" will not work. Look at what UAL guys were saying ......right to the last day. So, to put me in the ranks as an apologist/mgmnt. mouth piece, give in is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off and out of line. Just your buddy defending himself.......nwa400 🙂