Obama's secret assassins

[delldude]

Should my first post here be about politics? I suppose. Hi everyone!

All I'll say is that it's hard to expect a president to eliminate America's enemies when you simultaneously condemn the extent to which he eliminates them. People want to be safe from terror, but they don't want people to die, they don't want people going to Guantanamo. I'm a liberal, so we'll get that out in the open. I find the notion of a kill list reprehensible, and I won't attempt to justify it. All I'm saying is that conservatives blast Obama for being too soft on the Middle East, but then they're outraged when he kills terrorists. You can't really have it both ways.

Southwind, Barack only has one R. And I'll be a conservative for a second: The government/terrorists/poor people are coming to get me!

Eliminate them by sucking up to the muslim brotherhood?
Worked pretty good in Libya too didn't it.
Aiding and abetting AL Queida in Syria?

Who is our enemy, Obama?

 

[KCFlyer]

Eliminate them by sucking up to the muslim brotherhood?
Worked pretty good in Libya too didn't it.
Aiding and abetting AL Queida in Syria?

Who is our enemy, Obama?

Bin laden is dead. Did you forget about that? If a country has a democracy and WE are the ones who determine what the people want, is it really a democracy?

But again.. Bin laden is dead. And in the eyes of the right - that's a bad thing.

 

[gobuffs10]

Eliminate them by sucking up to the muslim brotherhood?
Worked pretty good in Libya too didn't it.
Aiding and abetting AL Queida in Syria?

Who is our enemy, Obama?

Eliminating them through things like this kill list, drone strikes, and so on. If you're referring to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, I'd have to say that it's difficult to support free elections by telling citizens of another country who they can and cannot vote for. Perhaps I'm missing your point.

Worked pretty good in Libya? You actually expect the U.S. to eliminate every potential threat in existence? There are murderous people who want to kill innocent folks. Sometimes, they're going to succeed (see: 9/11). It's impossible to police six billion people, and I'm afraid that as long as that's what you expect, you're going to be let down.

Regarding your reference to aiding and abetting Al-Qaeda in Syria, I can't say I know what you're referring to. Would you care to clarify?

 

[RDU Jetblast]

Hopefully not sarcasm. I just registered and that was the first post I saw, so I figured I'd jump in.

stick around and you will recognize sarcasm. Welcome!

 

[delldude]

Bin laden is dead. Did you forget about that? If a country has a democracy and WE are the ones who determine what the people want, is it really a democracy?

But again.. Bin laden is dead. And in the eyes of the right - that's a bad thing.

Bin Laden got his 15 minutes of fame. I believe your side are the ones who don't see that as an effectual outcome. Buddy of Barracks made 0 dark thirty and your lefties put it down.
So in the eyes of the right???

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Bin laden is dead. Did you forget about that? If a country has a democracy and WE are the ones who determine what the people want, is it really a democracy?

We can't have a democracy that is not in line with the American right wing ideal now can we?

The only elected government that is good with our friends on the right is one that they would have voted for!

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

"Mr. Nevin was apparently referring to the Central Intelligence Agency’s secret prisons in countries like Romania and Thailand where the agency once held the Sept. 11 defendants; the defense plans to argue that its clients should be spared execution because the C.I.A. tortured them. But Mr. Nevin did not mention such details, and his motion “to preserve evidence at any existing detention facility” was unclassified, Colonel Pohl said."

By CHARLIE SAVAGE

Published: January 30, 2013

The blocked comments came during a pretrial motions hearing on Monday in the case against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four other detainees accused of aiding the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.


Try a little harder next time, 'eh?

"Thanks for pointing out the CIA prisons that have been hiding in plain site:

While posing as a private charter outfit - "aircraft rental with pilot" is the listing in Dun and Bradstreet - Aero Contractors is in fact a major domestic hub of the Central Intelligence Agency's secret air service. The company was founded in 1979 by a legendary C.I.A. officer and chief pilot for Air America, the agency's Vietnam-era air company, and it appears to be controlled by the agency, according to former employees.

Behind a surprisingly thin cover of rural hideaways, front companies and shell corporations that share officers who appear to exist only on paper, the C.I.A. has rapidly expanded its air operations since 2001 as it has pursued and questioned terrorism suspects around the world.

An analysis of thousands of flight records, aircraft registrations and corporate documents, as well as interviews with former C.I.A. officers and pilots, show that the agency owns at least 26 planes, 10 of them purchased since 2001. The agency has concealed its ownership behind a web of seven shell corporations that appear to have no employees and no function apart from owning the aircraft.

The planes, regularly supplemented by private charters, are operated by real companies controlled by or tied to the agency, including Aero Contractors and two Florida companies, Pegasus Technologies and Tepper Aviation.

The civilian planes can go places American military craft would not be welcome. They sometimes allow the agency to circumvent reporting requirements most countries impose on flights operated by other governments. But the cover can fail, as when two Austrian fighter jets were scrambled on Jan. 21, 2003, to intercept a C.I.A. Hercules transport plane, equipped with military communications, on its way from Germany to Azerbaijan.

"When the C.I.A. is given a task, it's usually because national policy makers don't want 'U.S. government' written all over it," said Jim Glerum, a retired C.I.A. officer who spent 18 years with the agency's Air America but says he has no knowledge of current operations. "If you're flying an executive jet into somewhere where there are plenty of executive jets, you can look like any other company."

Some of the C.I.A. planes have been used for carrying out renditions, the legal term for the agency's practice of seizing terrorism suspects in one foreign country and delivering them to be detained in another, including countries that routinely engage in torture. The resulting controversy has breached the secrecy of the agency's flights in the last two years, as plane-spotting hobbyists, activists and journalists in a dozen countries have tracked the mysterious planes' movements."

 

[delldude]

No...not sarcastic...serious as a heart attack. Our right wing friends feel that Obama is a closet Muslim terrorist bent on overseeing the demise of America. Then he orders the Seals to take out bin laden and is chastised for "taking too much credit". I dunno....it didn't seem as bad as strutting across an aircraft carrier deck with a helmet under his arm and a codpiece in his pants to announce that it was "mission accomplished".....several years too early. They didn't seem to mind "shock and awe" killing and maiming women and children when we were on our quest to find those nukes that Saddam had, but bemoan drone attacks for killing innocent kids.

Do some checking, I believe the Seals mentioned his spiking the football as being a tad bit F***ed up.
I wouldn't say he is a muslin terrorist but rather a muslim sympathizer .

KC I seriously think you're wigging out from too much koolaid Brother. Take 5

 

[delldude]

"Thanks for pointing out the CIA prisons that have been hiding in plain site:

While posing as a private charter outfit - "aircraft rental with pilot" is the listing in Dun and Bradstreet - Aero Contractors is in fact a major domestic hub of the Central Intelligence Agency's secret air service. The company was founded in 1979 by a legendary C.I.A. officer and chief pilot for Air America, the agency's Vietnam-era air company, and it appears to be controlled by the agency, according to former employees.

Behind a surprisingly thin cover of rural hideaways, front companies and shell corporations that share officers who appear to exist only on paper, the C.I.A. has rapidly expanded its air operations since 2001 as it has pursued and questioned terrorism suspects around the world.

An analysis of thousands of flight records, aircraft registrations and corporate documents, as well as interviews with former C.I.A. officers and pilots, show that the agency owns at least 26 planes, 10 of them purchased since 2001. The agency has concealed its ownership behind a web of seven shell corporations that appear to have no employees and no function apart from owning the aircraft.

The planes, regularly supplemented by private charters, are operated by real companies controlled by or tied to the agency, including Aero Contractors and two Florida companies, Pegasus Technologies and Tepper Aviation.

The civilian planes can go places American military craft would not be welcome. They sometimes allow the agency to circumvent reporting requirements most countries impose on flights operated by other governments. But the cover can fail, as when two Austrian fighter jets were scrambled on Jan. 21, 2003, to intercept a C.I.A. Hercules transport plane, equipped with military communications, on its way from Germany to Azerbaijan.

"When the C.I.A. is given a task, it's usually because national policy makers don't want 'U.S. government' written all over it," said Jim Glerum, a retired C.I.A. officer who spent 18 years with the agency's Air America but says he has no knowledge of current operations. "If you're flying an executive jet into somewhere where there are plenty of executive jets, you can look like any other company."

Some of the C.I.A. planes have been used for carrying out renditions, the legal term for the agency's practice of seizing terrorism suspects in one foreign country and delivering them to be detained in another, including countries that routinely engage in torture. The resulting controversy has breached the secrecy of the agency's flights in the last two years, as plane-spotting hobbyists, activists and journalists in a dozen countries have tracked the mysterious planes' movements."

Get the locations and addresses of the CIA detention facilities and earn yourself one official 'attaboy'.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Only pix, no addresses.

 

[delldude]

Only pix, no addresses.

LOL

 

[KCFlyer]

Do some checking, I believe the Seals mentioned his spiking the football as being a tad bit F***ed up.
I wouldn't say he is a muslin terrorist but rather a muslim sympathizer .

KC I seriously think you're wigging out from too much koolaid Brother. Take 5

Yeah....he should have stuffed a potato down his pants, landed on an aircraft carrier, strutted across the deck with his helmet in hand under a sign that said "We done, bro".

 

[delldude]

Yeah....he should have stuffed a potato down his pants, landed on an aircraft carrier, strutted across the deck with his helmet in hand under a sign that said "We done, bro".

Hell, your boy flew over Afghanistan, rubbed the Muslims noses in the dirt, went all over the Sunday talking head shows dancing on Bin Laden's grave....I think your hero Bush has a little more class than that.

Remember what they were chanting in Libya? "We are Osama"......taking out Bin Laden is one thing, dancing on his grave by a manchild US president is another.

Bush on a carrier photo op most likely won't foment an act of terror on US soil for an immature US presidents demonstrated lack of class.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

They were yelling "we love Obama" Get your story straight Mr. Cosell.

 

[traderjake]

Do you have any sources that are a bit more credible than the Guardian such as may be FOX new or something?

Would you believe the report if the source was CNN?