Operational Updates

[Mark Inman]

Do you mean there really isn't a Santa?

[post="290169"][/post]​

You know it may not show every day at work becouse we are professional but we have long memorys. We will remember any one who cross the picket line to do a striking members work. This is not the TWU or IAM. This is a craft union run by its members.

 

[FA Mikey]

Here's an update....25% cancelled?

[post="290177"][/post]​

I am sure NWA made sure to clean up every last MEL they could prior to the start of the strike. I think we can expect as each days passes that the NWA planes and schedules will deteriorate.
Maintenance items will begin to stack.

Hopefully and although pilots and flight attendants did not walk out as well. They will write up all items they can find on board, as a show of support.
There is just no way those few scabs and the contract maintenance can keep up with what the professional maintenance team walking the street was able to do.

 

[keeptheodds]

There is just no way those few scabs and the contract maintenance can keep up with what the professional maintenance team walking the street was able to do.

[post="290227"][/post]​

Please tell me your not so ignorant as to believe that. You live in a very small world if you do. These guys are from MRO's and some are from airlines a lot come from some that closed due to missleading unions. An average MRO can turn out about 40 heavy C&D-checks a year. Do not under estimate the enemy.

 

[pitguy]

For what? When we at U went on strike in 92, several mechanics at some stations crossed. There was a lot of talk and nothing was done about it. After a couple of months and everybody is back at work, things are forotten.

[post="290163"][/post]​

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That is B.S. It was never forgotten and the one scab that bid to PIT after the strike quit after all of the 'pressure' was put on him. Go back under your rock.

 

[Bob Owens]

Please tell me your not so ignorant as to believe that. You live in a very small world if you do. These guys are from MRO's and some are from airlines a lot come from some that closed due to missleading unions. An average MRO can turn out about 40 heavy C&D-checks a year. Do not under estimate the enemy.

[post="290325"][/post]​

The problem is that workers at MROs tend to be specialized. If they have been doing sheet metel for 20 years they may be great at it but when they look at a write up on the autopilot they are lost. Line mechanics do a broad range of jobs and are used to doing things that may be completely new to them, so not only have they come across a broader range of problems but they also are quicker at getting answers to new things that they have not come across. NWA had a lot of guys with a lot of years doing Line maint, so chances are they could find someone on duty who has come across any of things that go wrong. So even if the person working it had never come across a particular problem he could ask around and find someone who has.

Thats not the case if you replace all the line guys with MRO guys. Sure in a few years those guys will come up to speed but delays and missed connections are measured in minutes, not years.

 

[markkus757]

Schedule changes were put into action for the weekend. I would assume that they wanted to reduce the amount of flying to protect against major maintenence issues from piling up. If you have spares sitting around, you can reduce the amount of impact the scabs, etc. can negatively affect the operations. The Ch.11 filing will take place Monday morning ASAP. BTW, I thought the filing was happening Monday, regardless of a strike. They want to cut costs more in line with UA and US, and they can only do that in Ch.11. As far as the flights Sun morning; they all went out close to on-time. I guess the other unions who already took pay-cuts are not being that sympathetic?

 

[AP Tech]

Take a mechanic that has been working heavy for his entire career and throw him on the line and it takes some time to get used to it. A guy who has been pounding rivets or rigging flt controls for years comes to the line and is expected to clear a pressurization problem during a thru flight? Sure NW has sub'd out all there work to 3rd party and has hired 1900 replacement workers. I assume those 1900 are for the line. I have seen the cards from the placement service, $34hr, tools(pen), housing,insurance. All they want is someone to sign the book to keep the aircraft moving.

I experienced it first hand with U in 92, when we retured after a week, I spent the following week doubling out each day on overtime trying to clear the MEL's and other discrepency's which had piled up during the previous week.

 

[Hopeful]

Take a mechanic that has been working heavy for his entire career and throw him on the line and it takes some time to get used to it. A guy who has been pounding rivets or rigging flt controls for years comes to the line and is expected to clear a pressurization problem during a thru flight? Sure NW has sub'd out all there work to 3rd party and has hired 1900 replacement workers. I assume those 1900 are for the line. I have seen the cards from the placement service, $34hr, tools(pen), housing,insurance. All they want is someone to sign the book to keep the aircraft moving.

I experienced it first hand with U in 92, when we retured after a week, I spent the following week doubling out each day on overtime trying to clear the MEL's and other discrepency's which had piled up during the previous week.

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You will see alot more CH.11 filingds because on October 17 of this year, the bankruptcy laws change for both corporations and individuals!

 

[keeptheodds]

The problem is that workers at MROs tend to be specialized. If they have been doing sheet metel for 20 years they may be great at it but when they look at a write up on the autopilot they are lost.

Bravo BOB, That is the most intelligent thing a union guy has said yet. There is going to be a learning curve for sure. I don’t agree with the two-year thing though. Like you said its a diversified group, once again there is always someone to go ask and the MM has alot to say.

 

[Bob Owens]

The problem is that workers at MROs tend to be specialized. If they have been doing sheet metel for 20 years they may be great at it but when they look at a write up on the autopilot they are lost.

Bravo BOB, That is the most intelligent thing a union guy has said yet. There is going to be a learning curve for sure. I don’t agree with the two-year thing though. Like you said its a diversified group, once again there is always someone to go ask and the MM has alot to say.

[post="290411"][/post]​

I would not want to be a passenger on an airplane where the whole maintenace group is just starting their "learning curve". Besides didnt you say this was just a temporary gig for you? By the time you learn anything you will be gone.

 

[MCI transplant]

Please tell me your not so ignorant as to believe that. You live in a very small world if you do. These guys are from MRO's and some are from airlines a lot come from some that closed due to missleading unions. An average MRO can turn out about 40 heavy C&D-checks a year. Do not under estimate the enemy.

[post="290325"][/post]​

Keep--- Your not a mechanic, or a scab, your something even lower than that! You're a member of NorthWest management! Head of they're misinformation Dept. no less! Now, tell me I'm wrong!! :down: :down: :down:

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

To the REGULAR posters on US AVIATION.

I "submit" to you ALL, that these SCABS, or "whatever" they are, need 1 Important thing from us,
AND THATS AN AUDIENCE !!

I "Suggest" to you all that you save your valuable breath/Ideas, and IGNORE completely these "M-F'rs"

Like a filthy DOG, DON'T feed It, and IT will go away !!!!!!!!


Good luck NW/AMFA

NH/BB's

 

[Kev3188]

Schedule changes were put into action for the weekend. I would assume that they wanted to reduce the amount of flying to protect against major maintenence issues from piling up.

This may be, but I know that as far back as April/May we knew the "Summer run" was only going to until the 20th.

If you have spares sitting around, you can reduce the amount of impact the scabs, etc. can negatively affect the operations. The Ch.11 filing will take place Monday morning ASAP.

Source?

BTW, I thought the filing was happening Monday, regardless of a strike. They want to cut costs more in line with UA and US, and they can only do that in Ch.11. As far as the flights Sun morning; they all went out close to on-time. I guess the other unions who already took pay-cuts are not being that sympathetic?

The only union on the property (out of 7) to take a cut so far is ALPA.

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[operaations]

Are the scabs on the job? Did the scabs turnout like management had planned?

With a pilot or flight attendant strike, the effects are immediate. How about the mechanic strike? When should we begin seeing the effects?

Thanks
p.s. I hope you guys/gals are able to keep a list of every single scab name and share it with the unions at the other airlines!!!

[post="289988"][/post]​

what good will come from keeping a list of scabs. retribution? payback? what?
the way i see it a work group walked out on their job. a different work group walked into open position.

 

[TWU informer]

what good will come from keeping a list of scabs.  retribution? payback? what?
the way i see it a work group walked out on their job.  a different work group walked into open position.

[post="290519"][/post]​

Some things are best not spoken, and surely not posted on an internet bulletin board.

The way you see it, clearly indicates management 101 thinking. I bet the Industrual Unionist have shown you the "Big Picture" too. Am I right?