Out Of Bankruptcy, Out Of Trouble?

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Hawk


Your words sicken me. Your philosophy of life is based on what you have been taught at liberal institutions, worldly entities that do nothing but cause pain and suffering always taking and never giving. You and your cohorts have sealed your eternity making the suffering labor endured by your hands seems like a grain of sand in a world of oceans. Your praise and defense of debased management leaders shows us all the line of demarcation counting our lucky stars that we are here and you are there.

 

[700UW]

So many questions for such an important person Your asking a union lackey if HE thinks U will survive???? :down: Look at the answer.....blame everyone else....as long as so and so is here....blah....blah.....this is great!!! these forums haven't changed a bit

[post="302537"][/post]​

Glad to see you keep up with insults, name calling and attacks instead of actually adding to the topic at hand.

 

[PITbull]

so what do you think 700?you think we will make it? do you think doug parker has the ability to turn this company around and make it profitable again? do you think we even stand a chance?. or do you think we are just waisting our time?

[post="302415"][/post]​

I don't think that Doug Paker has the ability to do a damn thing without Jerry Glass.

And Jerry will be consulting for AWA for as long as HE is NEEDED.

 

[PITbull]

The new Airways is in good shape with a capable management team.  The next 12 months will decide the fate of the carrier. One can't worry about oil prices, just concentrate on operating the company in a most efficient manner and regain the employee trust.

[post="302546"][/post]​

You blew the "gaining trust" thing...with your latest posting. :down:

We remain guarded and on epinephrine.

 

[hp_fa]

i do not normally say this but your full of ####. i work 80 hrs and my paycheck is 1,500 on the 15th. my mortgage alone is 1,100 a month.

[post="302556"][/post]​

You don't get it, do you? If U's management wanted you to be able to own a house they would either issue it to you or promote you to management. If they could, they would deny you even a crashpad.

 

[Light Years]

There are thousands of job candidates that would love an airline job making $30K.

[post="302546"][/post]​

Hmmm. US Airways F/As that were hired in 1999 make far less than $30K. Am I missing something or is the $16K reserve F/As at MAA make some sort of national average? For what, panhandlers?

 

[AP Tech]

might have been a few miscalculations with various business decisions

Now that is a good one!!! Its just a shame their salary was not based upon productivity!!

There are thousands of job candidates that would love an airline job making $30K.

You get what you pay for....just wait until they find out the job is 7 days a week including holidays. Sorry but being the person you are you do not realize the company operates 24/7 including holidays

regain the employee trust.

Now I do agree with you on this one, once ALL U upper managment is dismissed HP managment hopefully will regain employee trust.

The bottom line is that the Airways' employees need work more efficient and stop blaming management.

I know, its my fault the aircraft missed the ETR because someone made a decision to sell spare parts for pennies on the dollar and the part was n.i.s.

We all had to adjust our lifestyles with the givebacks


Now that is by far one of the dumbest statements to come out of your mouth? Good luck on your new career, wherever it my lead you.....and hopefully if will be far,far away from the new Usairways!!!!

 

[PITbull]

Ap,

Unfortunately, he is not. He will be too close for comfort.

 

[sweet-tart]

Ap,

Unfortunately, it is not. He will be quite close.

[post="302583"][/post]​

Please forgive me if I am double posting. But, who are we kidding? There has not been a company since the 'Industrial Revolution' that has admitted to being able to pay their employees a fair wage. I have a letter relavant to the MDA fiasco from AFA Internation that states we do not have a contract and the company stated it could 'NOT Afford' to pay due wages. Corporations do not have a heart. They will only pay fair wages if they :angry: are forced to, by it's current labor force. That is why we pay union dues, to fight for us. The member's of a labor union should not be forced to take private action or we don't need a CBA at all. It's a sorry state we're in, but one that I have become all to familiar. Thank God I am in the majority of thought in pilots and fa's at MDA.

 

[ClueByFour]

Hawk is a windup artist. "Miscalculations" is the understatement of the century.

He (like many of the inbred legacy executive corps) cannot manage without beating labor and/or having "pricing power." One needs not look any further than Southwest to realize that one can indeed foster a high-morale working environment, pay a decent wage, and make money. What he forgets to mention is that it requires some talented strategic and operational leadership.

As an aside--a trained monkey can extract concessions in bankruptcy--doing it without bankruptcy should prove difficult going forward (except for ALPA--the GAG would sell it's collective mother to keep a seat). That's when the world will realize that "beating labor" is easy in bankruptcy--enjoying good labor relations requires actual acumen (something sorely lacking in the former executive suite--especially in the labor relations category).

As for what they are worth: in my industry, we have people running operations the size of PHL, without the meltdown who might earn 120k plus some equity. As I've said since the first bankruptcy, an executive should earn a minimum of cash compensation with mostly equity. This is why the DAL top-dogs are filthy rich--they are actually good at what they do. None of the "CCY Parrots" (Hawk included) has ever once had the intellectual cajones to debate this issue--presumably because it would be clear that actually being "paid for performance" would leave all the former and remaining denizens of the executive suite at CCY on the welfare line.

It is funny to watch, tho--you can tell by the recent exodus offshore that these individuals are running out of legacy airline brothers and sisters to call upon for jobs--most at CCY are virtually unemployable without these connections--largely due to the horrid operational and strategic and financial performance of US over the last few years.

But enjoy the windup. I've found that effective managers don't have the problem that CCY has (employees, investors, and customers all in universal agreement that a management team sucks in every measurable or perceived metric).

 

[700UW]

:jerry:

 

[REACC1]

"These three individuals have done an outstanding job at Airways. While there might have been a few miscalculations with various business decisions, overall, their product knowledge will carry over well with the new management structure."


The new management structure apparently is more succesful than these 'knowledgeable' folks. Mean while the current crop of idiots wants to get rid of some of the "best of the business". Years of service amounts to experience that is tangible at lower levels. It aparently becomes a boat anchor in the upper eschelons. (read as the perception that ego's blind and the aparent, no-effective competitive-response to the LCC's in general)(an  executive function)Y'all make a bunch of money for what you do, or should be doing.


"The entire industry is in shambles. The LCCs need to be watching their own house, because their day is coming soon, particularly, WN, I would not be surprised to see difficult times in the future for this airline."


I think they will be just fine, because they have a management team that cares to do their job. Quite successfully, I might add.


"NW/DL will follow the pattern that has been established by UAL/US, but will most likely seek further cost reductions.  I usually don't agree with a certain local afa president, but the race to the bottom of the barrel has only begun. We set the standard that others will follow in the future. The salaries need to be more in line with the national average.  There are thousands of job candidates that would love an airline job making $30K."

I wouldn't think that they would want to follow a successful business pattern like U, for obvious reasons. I could think of a few U execs, that if pay was based on performance would be lucky to get 30k per year max. Who's out of line?


"The new Airways is in good shape with a capable management team.  The next 12 months will decide the fate of the carrier. One can't worry about oil prices, just concentrate on operating the company in a most efficient manner and regain the employee trust."


Employee trust? Please. If this current management team actually set out to ruin employee trust and moral, it is the only thing that they were successful at. One can only hope that the new management doesn't pick up OLD HABITS.


"Unfortunately, if the industry continues to bleed, another round of concessions will be in the program. Maintenance could be outsource to save cost. Airways has proven that outsourcing is beneficial in cost reductions.  The CWA group can give more, one just needs to compare the pay benefits with HP.  I would not be surprised if Doug eliminates the international outsourcing in reservations, even though it did assist in reducing overall labor cost."


If the industry continues to bleed, it is a pricing problem. The CWA or any other group cannot give more. You got it all.  There inlies your problem. You cannot accept the fact that you have done absolutely nothing to make the airline more efficient. You continue to look at the base, the employees, as the problem. You are a wittless germ. Other airlines have made attempts to streamline as much as possible BEFORE coming to employees for concessions. Not U.
You make promises to the embedded employees, and after decades of service, you renig. Liars! Employees that were as dedicated as they come, are now wary of your word. The time spent, entrusted, is now wasted on your word. It didn't have to be that way. They cannot get that time back. Theives! Dude, you credibility really sucks!
Concidering outsourcing in res, they are idiots. They are a diservice to all, and I cannot, for the life of me, defend that discision or their misinformation. Oh, thats right, its a simple job. Any one could do it. Concider your complaints for once.


"ALPA has given more than any group and I can only think of a few items that can be changed with their contract. AFA can give much more to assist in reducing costs. I won't publically name items, but with Teddy Xidas leaving office later this year, Hemenway will have an easy time with this group. They can give more in salary and how they work too.

The bottom line is that the Airways' employees need work more efficient and stop blaming management."

See above, it's all your fault!


"You are not forced to work with the company and should seek alternative employment if you don't like the program.  Lifestyle modification will be required for the industry labor groups once the dust has settled and all of the carriers have lowered their labor costs.  We all had to adjust our lifestyles with the givebacks at Airways.  The executives deserve every penny in bonus compensation that was awarded this week."


Neither are you. Ah, the definition of employee friendly. You sound like it would be a fine place to seek employment.
Make a bee line to the nearest industry that will have your arse. Please let us know so we wont make the mistake of following you there.
And once again, another lie.

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[sweet-tart]

These three individuals have done an outstanding job at Airways. While there might have been a few miscalculations with various business decisions, overall, their product knowledge will carry over well with the new management structure.

The new management structure apparently is more succesful than these 'knowledgeable' folks. Mean while the current crop of idiots wants to get rid of some of the "best of the business". Years of service amounts to experience that is tangible at lower levels. It aparently becomes a boat anchor in the upper eschelons. (read as the perception that ego's blind and the aparent, no-effective competitive-response to the LCC's in general)(an  executive function)Y'all make a bunch of money for what you do, or should be doing.

The entire industry is in shambles. The LCCs need to be watching their own house, because their day is coming soon, particularly, WN, I would not be surprised to see difficult times in the future for this airline.

I think they will be just fine, because they have a management team that cares to do their job. Quite successfully, I might add.

NW/DL will follow the pattern that has been established by UAL/US, but will most likely seek further cost reductions.  I usually don't agree with a certain local afa president, but the race to the bottom of the barrel has only begun. We set the standard that others will follow in the future. The salaries need to be more in line with the national average.  There are thousands of job candidates that would love an airline job making $30K.

I wouldn't think that they would want to follow a successful business pattern like U, for obvious reasons. I could think of a few U execs, that if pay was based on performance would be lucky to get 30k per year max. Who's out of line?

The new Airways is in good shape with a capable management team.  The next 12 months will decide the fate of the carrier. One can't worry about oil prices, just concentrate on operating the company in a most efficient manner and regain the employee trust.

Employee trust? Please. If this current management team actually set out to ruin employee trust and moral, it is the only thing that they were successful at. One can only hope that the new management doesn't pick up OLD HABITS.

Unfortunately, if the industry continues to bleed, another round of concessions will be in the program. Maintenance could be outsource to save cost. Airways has proven that outsourcing is beneficial in cost reductions.  The CWA group can give more, one just needs to compare the pay benefits with HP.  I would not be surprised if Doug eliminates the international outsourcing in reservations, even though it did assist in reducing overall labor cost.

If the industry continues to bleed, it is a pricing problem. The CWA or any other group cannot give more. You got it all.  There inlies your problem. You cannot accept the fact that you have done absolutely nothing to make the airline more efficient. You continue to look at the base, the employees, as the problem. You are a wittless germ. Other airlines have made attempts to streamline as much as possible BEFORE coming to employees for concessions. Not U.
You make promises to the embedded employees, and after decades of service, you renig. Liars! Employees that were as dedicated as they come, are now wary of your word. The time spent, entrusted, is now wasted on your word. It didn't have to be that way. They cannot get that time back. Theives! Dude, you credibility really sucks!
Concidering outsourcing in res, they are idiots. They are a diservice to all, and I cannot, for the life of me, defend that discision or their misinformation. Oh, thats right, its a simple job. Any one could do it. Concider your complaints for once.

ALPA has given more than any group and I can only think of a few items that can be changed with their contract. AFA can give much more to assist in reducing costs. I won't publically name items, but with Teddy Xidas leaving office later this year, Hemenway will have an easy time with this group. They can give more in salary and how they work too.

The bottom line is that the Airways' employees need work more efficient and stop blaming management.

See above, it's all your fault!

You are not forced to work with the company and should seek alternative employment if you don't like the program.  Lifestyle modification will be required for the industry labor groups once the dust has settled and all of the carriers have lowered their labor costs.  We all had to adjust our lifestyles with the givebacks at Airways.  The executives deserve every penny in bonus compensation that was awarded this week.

Neither are you. Make a bee line to the nearest industry that will have your arse. Please let us know so we wont make the mistake of following you there.
And once again, another lie.

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[post="302603"][/post]​

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please, I left a big job because my husband had a freak accident and is now quadrepalegic....give me a break.....if over the last 18 months after being notified with Airways if i didn't come back to work at MDA there would be no possibility of receiving insurance....you disgust me, if you 1/2 brain you would understand even if i were making 150,000.00 in sales with no benefits and drew 2oo,ooo.oo in benefits of insurance dollars that would be, 400,000.00 in after tax dollars ....don't even get me started as to how many people have been,( although they love being FA's) stuck in the business....as for a person that joins the uninsurable pool in our state, it is roughly 26,000.00 per year plus 1200.00 a month medicine......Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!! perhaps this is a business reality, but the folks at the top end of labor need to get a grip.....There is too much deferential being paid to a 20 yr employee vs a 5 yr employee for the same work conditions and duty.
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[The Truth]

Hawk,

You blew your chance to work for the new company. You are in no position to comment on possible concessions. Last time I checked, you were no longer employed with the company. You screw up big time and lost a perfect opportunity to join the new management team. Don't blame the employees for your bitterness. You didn't "adjust" your lifestyle with the givebacks. The front line employees that are making less than $30,000 had to adjust their lifestyles just to survive each day. The full-time employee that was reduced to part-time status and is now working 20 hours is having to adjust their lifestyle.

I don't agree with Teddy Xidas very often, but in a odd way, she has my utmost respect in how she fought hard for her group. I was there and saw her in action, her tears and emotion in doing what was right for her group. The other labor leaders can learn a thing or two from Ms. Xidas. We all must work together as a team.

This is a new chapter, while we can't forget about the past mistakes, we should all try to look at the new management team as hope and the opportunity to seek a better future for every employee.

I imagine that it will take time to for all labor groups to find a way to work together, which is typical for any type of merger. As Teddy will tell you, negotiations is a "give and take" progress. In the end, we will reach a common ground that will work for both parties. I look forward to the new opportunity.

 

[PITbull]

Tart,

Did you read your post?

The co. is still downsizing. What are you spouting? Taking more from the 14 year and up group?

If the seniior upper end didn't decide to take furloughs to preserve the bottom end, you would be much further down on the list of furloughees...

Unsolicted advice... rethink your position...you looking pretty bad right now.