Out Of Bankruptcy, Out Of Trouble?

[PITbull]

Need,

This is not about executives. This is about fixing this spiral before many, many, many jobs are lost for good. You've missed the point and your focus is diverted to a few lines in my post.

You are no longer with the airline, and neither will I be. The answer is not maintaining the same old pattern of market forces dictating. This is about ALL airlines. Putting them together will not fix problems, and the psychology used by this managment with regard to "the industry has changed forever", is something YOU have accepted. It will continue down this path if we as employees say YES to anything and everything.

I say HALT! We need now an act of Congress to save jobs, save pensions, because this is all being dumped on the taxpayers to pay while the BK companies get a free pass with no real business plan EXCEPT BK or merger.

US Airways has had its mergers the past 15 years, did this consolidation keep us from BK or in survival mode? 22,000 employees have lost their jobs.

Balance is needed and necessary, and it just won't happen without Congressional intervention.

I'm done with the dialogue.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

Boeing,

How could there be LCC in a regulated market as your post indicates?

Regulation would dictate the market forces and anyone in the airline transporation business would basically be at the same fare price. Certain small cities pay for airlines to come into a market. The gov. did that during regulation.

Why are folks so abhored by having the gov. involved. They are already involved. What the heck was a taxpayer bailout about?

Some things are just necessary.

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Pitbull.......I really cannot believe this post!!! Why do we have LCC's in the first place?? This is what the people are demanding.....lower fares!!! The govt. can't dictate that. Sure you can yell and scream about "quality" service all you want. the Pilot, Mech, or F/a who lost his/her job because of what is happenning in this "transformation"(I really am sorry for using that word), do you think that if they took another job at another company, yes for less wages, i know, would not do there job??? These execs know there is a huge work pool of many qualified people out there, and they are going to lower their costs come hell or high water.... we may not like it, but it is reality

 

[BoeingBoy]

Pitbull,

Much of what you say applies not just to airlines, but to business in general. Look what's happened to textiles, auto manufacturing, steel, shoes, electronics, and on and on. We airline employees are caught in the mess that those industries have already gone through.

All I'm saying is that the theory of reregulation is fine and dandy. It's putting that theory into practice that is pretty much unworkable. As long as there are enough carriers operating to prevent monopolistic practices, the politicians will be happy to stay far away from this mess as much as possible.

Despite the turmoil surrounding us, there will be enough carriers surviving to provide competition for the forseeable future (if only because the LCC's will provide competition for each other). Unfortunately, we happened to work for one without the management capacity to make the change - all they knew was pound labor. Hopefully the new management will be better.

I think I posted a sentiment once that was expressed to me a long time ago by someone who has about 50 years in and around this industry. This job (be it pilot, F/A, ramper, mechanic or whatever) will never be better than what we (individually & collectively) are willing to risk our jobs fighting for.

As long as over 50% of an employee group is more afraid of losing their job than they are mad at being paid less than they feel they're worth, we're on a slide to the bottom.

As long as one employee group looks at another group's struggles and thinks "That's not my problem", it'll be a problem for all of us.

Jim

 

[PITbull]

BB,

Agreed.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

BB,

Agreed.

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ditto

 

[calibrator]

As long as over 50% of an employee group is more afraid of losing their job than they are mad at being paid less than they feel they're worth, we're on a slide to the bottom.

As long as one employee group looks at another group's struggles and thinks "That's not my problem", it'll be a problem for all of us.

Jim

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This is exactly why I have hammered the union leaders for NOT rallying the membership but only saying, "well folks things have changed".

In times like these we need the essential quality union leaders that simply don't exist. Until one arises corporate America will get away will murder and live as kings for it.

As for regulation, I agree with Jim. They deregulated without fixing the BK laws to go with it and in the process made it possible for a few to become very wealthy and many to become very poor. Absolutely no balance. No government leadership to stop what fallen man naturally does, screw over everyone in his way.

For proof depravity is alive and well, look at the world we live in. It's filled with "Hawks" who believe the insanity he posts.

On the bright side and generally speaking: Most of the ones doing the best in this world will be paying an eternity for it. They can have it and the price they will surely pay.

 

[jimcfs]

I had the opportunity to speak to the Senator from WV (Dem) on one of USAirways flights from DCA to PIT about 2 years ago. I asked him his thoughts on reregulation of the industry. He said that that would not happen now, but could happen in the future. Much would have to happen in the industry to make way for re-regulation with a R-House/Senate and administration would be difficult to introduce.

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I'm guessing you spoke to the younger senator instead of the older one who still wears a sheet from his previous "employment". 😱 Both our Senators (along with most of the politicians in WV) bat from the left side of the plate... so you need to differentiate by either age or meat preference ("pork" vs. beef). 😉 The younger one seems to bring things more to the center than the older one however, who makes an ass of himself at every opportunity anymore.