Part Time Flying 4 Fas

[czerny]

I called the contract desk at APFA today and got some answers to the big question about benefits coverage during part time flying. This is something not addessed in the Q&A about part time flying on jetnet. As long as you fly 35 hrs within your alloted part time block of 2 weeks, insurance is covered. Also, check your HISK and make sure that you have flown enough hours so far this year to fulfill the 420.
You can OE and TT as many trips as you like as long as it's within your 2 week block. If anyone on this board has other information to add, by all means please do. If everyone who got the furlough letter put in for part titme flying, we could save jobs. Remmeber, the job you save could very well be your own.

 

[nbmcg01]

I called the contract desk at APFA today and got some answers to the big question about benefits coverage during part time flying. This is something not addessed in the Q&A about part time flying on jetnet. As long as you fly 35 hrs within your alloted part time block of 2 weeks, insurance is covered. Also, check your HISK and make sure that you have flown enough hours so far this year to fulfill the 420.
You can OE and TT as many trips as you like as long as it's within your 2 week block. If anyone on this board has other information to add, by all means please do. If everyone who got the furlough letter put in for part titme flying, we could save jobs. Remmeber, the job you save could very well be your own.

Byron, where are you in the equation?

 

[czerny]

Byron, where are you in the equation?

Hi Nancy, I need 860 to save me. I'm not optimistic but I can't give up hope. If you can add my info to the TWA my Family, hopefully it 'd encourage people to sign up.
Thanks

 

[nbmcg01]

Hi Nancy, I need 860 to save me. I'm not optimistic but I can't give up hope. If you can add my info to the TWA my Family, hopefully it 'd encourage people to sign up.
Thanks

We're already all over it and are working on a new site to provide support, information and referral services to all newly furloughed. We've had a lot of experience. Hopefully, we can help others avoid the frustration of not being able to have questions answered. I will post as soon as it is up and running.

 

[jimntx]

Also, make sure that everyone knows that if you sign up for (and are awarded) the "modified partnership" flying, you can fly as many hours as you wish during your half of the month. The only restrictions are if you are legal to fly, of course. (Byron, you must not call it part-time flying--even though that is what it really is. Part-time flying is not allowed under our current contract and concessions. Partnership flying (modified or otherwise) is allowed. )

Just FYI, I got the distinct impression from someone in management that the company is going to award partnership flying to everyone who proffers as long as seniority rules can be followed. Given the bad publicity of the past few years, the company would like nothing more than to be able to announce that none of the 1200 will have to be furloughed.

 

[JonInATL]

Hey, just wanted to say that on the modified partnership flying, it doesn't matter whether you fly over 35 hours in the months you are on partnership flying, it matters whether you stay above your eligibility hours. Also, the months that you are in partnership flying will not count towards your 420 lookback, and the eligibility hours will be reduced by 35 for each month you are on partnership flying. Any hours flown in those months will not count towards your 420 look back.

So if your eligibility hours before the partnership flying is 420, at the end of October you must be above 385, at the end of November you must be above 350 and at the end of December you must be above 315, exclusive of what you fly in those months.

You do not need to fly 35 hours per month, you just need to be above your eligibility hours in each month.

 

[czerny]

Hey, just wanted to say that on the modified partnership flying, it doesn't matter whether you fly over 35 hours in the months you are on partnership flying, it matters whether you stay above your eligibility hours. Also, the months that you are in partnership flying will not count towards your 420 lookback, and the eligibility hours will be reduced by 35 for each month you are on partnership flying. Any hours flown in those months will not count towards your 420 look back.

Thanks 4 the clarification. By all means, folks, check your HISK in Decs to see how many hours you have accumulated so far. I plan to fly the full 2 weeks in each part time month if I'm saved anyway.

My trip trader charges to drop trips and p.time flying will save me money as the 2 weeks are already cleared so all I need for her to do is add trips. If you normally pay 100-120 a month to get the 80-85 hr schedule in 2 weeks, part time flying will actually save some of us some money, as well as saving jobs.

 

[jason77]

The way I read the partnership flying is if you have 420 hrs when you start you partnership you don't even have to fly the months your on partnership to keep your insurance.

 

[jimntx]

You are misreading the partnership flying parameters for paid insurance. The partnership flying is Oct-Dec, 2009. I suppose that "technically" if you look back 12 months from 01Oct09 to 01Oct08 and you have 420 hours in that 12 months you could not fly at all in Oct09 and get paid insurance.

The question you have to ask yourself is on 01NOV09 looking back to 01NOV08 with a big fat zero for Oct09, do you still have 420 hours? If so, you will get paid insurance for Nov. Then 01DEC09 with zero hours flown in both Oct. and Nov. 09, do you still have 420 hours? And then Jan, 2010 with 3 months of no flying in the 12 month lookback, do you still have 420 hours? Most f/as would not. And, you have to remember that until Jan. 2011, you will always have at least one month with zero hours flown in your 12 month lookback.

Also, I'm not sure that all the hours you fly count toward the 420. You know...like the limitation that only the first 85 hours you fly each month count toward pension credit.

 

[jason77]

The way I read it your look back goes down 35hrs every month your on partnership so you need less hrs to qualify for insurance.I might be wrong but I'm not sure.

 

[skyhoosier]

I did Partnership Flying March-April this year and the important issue is whether or not you had your 420 going into the Partnership, as the months on PF are a wash. If you accrued your 420 with at least 35 in each of the preceeding months you were fine, no matter what you flew or didn't fly. You started with a target of 420 to compare your hours to for the past 12 months. Each month on PF, the requirement was reduced by 35 hours, and one month of your look back, the 13th month, was dropped. Your PF flying was not added, but it was a wash because your required amount of lookback was reduced.

The only way it might not work is if you acquired your 420 in very unbalanced months. A situation could exist where the first month or 2 that were dropped in the lookback, months 13 and 14, were very high months and the remaining months were unusually low, so that if your hours going into PF were very close to 420, you could be losing 70, 80, 120? more hours when that month was dropped and your 420 target only went down 35. Am I making sense or should I give an example?

I know if worked for me as one month my (senior) partner couldn't afford to give me any trips and it was no problem.

 

[jimntx]

Well, since the APFA made the 420 lookback agreement with the company without your vote, are you absolutely sure that in pursuit of protecting the flexibility of the senior f/as, they won't modify that agreement in such as way that having a month of zero flying won't jump up and bite you in the financial behind?

 

[AAStew]

I did Partnership Flying March-April this year and the important issue is whether or not you had your 420 going into the Partnership, as the months on PF are a wash. If you accrued your 420 with at least 35 in each of the preceeding months you were fine, no matter what you flew or didn't fly. You started with a target of 420 to compare your hours to for the past 12 months. Each month on PF, the requirement was reduced by 35 hours, and one month of your look back, the 13th month, was dropped. Your PF flying was not added, but it was a wash because your required amount of lookback was reduced.

The only way it might not work is if you acquired your 420 in very unbalanced months. A situation could exist where the first month or 2 that were dropped in the lookback, months 13 and 14, were very high months and the remaining months were unusually low, so that if your hours going into PF were very close to 420, you could be losing 70, 80, 120? more hours when that month was dropped and your 420 target only went down 35. Am I making sense or should I give an example?

I know if worked for me as one month my (senior) partner couldn't afford to give me any trips and it was no problem.

That is exactly what happened to me. My months were severely unbalanced (110 one month 0 the next). I fell below and it was impossible to catch up, it would have taken 12 months to get off having to pay my insurance. So I worked March April and May just to pay my insurance...not one paycheck! Of course it was "implied" so I had no recourse according to Brett Durkin. Heed the previous posters advice!