North by Northwest
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Announced on PFAA hotline. 6/9/2005! 
Pfaa Wins Dues Ck-off
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I hope all those smug bastards who never paid dues because they didn't vote for PFAA will have their comeupence! NW should deduct the $1500 or so dollars they owe in one lump sum! What were they thinking? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! :angry:
North by Northwest
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That sure is one beautiful shepard!
Blackdog said:
The company and the union can not collect past dues from their members. The union will not forgive them. They will not be able to vote or attend union meetings. However everyone is entilted to representation whether they owe dues or not.
jimntx
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nwamalefa said:
You should do that. I know that our union can bill you directly for past due dues (sounds like stuttering doesn't it?
). If you do not pay up or make arrangements to make payments, the union can have you removed from your job because all f/as at AA must belong to APFA and/or pay dues to the union.And, before anyone else jumps on this...Yes, I know that Texas is a right-to-work state. However, the contract with the company states that even if you do not belong to the union, you still have to pay the dues. And, why would anyone cough up the dues and not insist on a vote? (I know that there are a few f/as that pay the dues, but do not belong to the union for religious reasons.)
It seems to be in contradiction of the law, but it's been that way for a long, long time.
jimntx said:You should do that. I know that our union can bill you directly for past due dues (sounds like stuttering doesn't it?
And, before anyone else jumps on this...Yes, I know that Texas is a right-to-work state. However, the contract with the company states that even if you do not belong to the union, you still have to pay the dues. And, why would anyone cough up the dues and not insist on a vote? (I know that there are a few f/as that pay the dues, but do not belong to the union for religious reasons.)
It seems to be in contradiction of the law, but it's been that way for a long, long time.
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Since we won dues check off, they will be forced to pay dues. When I went through training we had the option of signing up or not, but all of us still had to pay dues whether or now we became a member. Until all past dues are paid they can not vote or attend union meetings. They can still be represented though. Since the members were not paying dues when we did not have dues check off, the union can not have them removed from their job. Again I dont know why. I am guessing there is some law somewhere that prevents this. 5% of our members were not paying dues. When I was laid off I was a truck driver. I had to pay my dues to the teamsters. We did not have dues check off. I had to write a check every 3 months to pay my dues. If I did not I would have been removed from my job then.
Since we have national contracts (interstate commerce) and are under the RLA the rules of the contract do not fall under RTW of any state. In fact some states mandate conditions that are more favorable than what some contracts provide so even though the state law may dictate something the contract prevails.lpbrian said:
So even if you are in a RTW state, it does not matter, if the contract says you must pay dues as a condition of employment then you have to pay dues. You are however entitled to become an Agency fee dues objector. This means that you only pay dues for contract enforcement and normal union business. You pay a slightly reduced rate on dues but you are not entitled to vote on union issues except if you are voting to change unions or go non-union in a representaional election.
If your contract has a "union security "clause then you might have to pay back dues. It depends on the language of the contract.
Not all contracts have such language, but most do, because the unions want to make sure they get their money and there are no "free riders". The APA, the pilots union at AA only added a security clause recently, after AA took over TWA and many of the TWA pilots refused to pay dues.
