Pid Established As October 24, 2005

[phasersonstun2]

The list should be done by late March.

 

[TBONEJ4J]

Why did Duane approve an extension of 30 days, to make it 90 days total, to produce final Seniority lists?

Considering it has been almost a month since the Merger of AAA and AWA was consummated , why did it take until October 24th for ALPA to officially decide that there is a "high probability" of the Merger happening?

:huh:

Could APLA possibly be hoping that the active AAA Pilots not at the Boeing/Airbus Division will be no longer Active AAA Pilots 90 days from now?

 

[Salmon37]

Why did Duane approve an extension of 30 days, to make it 90 days total, to produce final Seniority lists?

Could ALPA possibly be hoping that the active AAA Pilots not at the Boeing/Airbus Division will be no longer Active AAA Pilots 90 days from now?

Ya think?

 

[rb11]

What does that mean?

 

[USA320Pilot]

The first time the ALPA Executive Council was not scheduled to meet following the September 27 merger of the two companies was October 24.

According to AWA MEC chairman JR Baker at Monday’s ALPA Executive Council meeting "Bill Pollock agreed that the conditions established in the ALPA Administrative Manual had been satisfied, and he urged the Council to declare a PID. I argued that the declaration of a PID now would only serve to put undue pressure on our respective Merger Committees, especially in light of the upcoming holidays. The PID starts a 150-day clock at the end of which a combined seniority must be completed. I reminded the Council of how important the work of the Merger Committees would be to the careers of all affected pilots and respectfully asked that the PID be delayed until January 1, 2006, effectively adding 60 days to the administrative timeline," Baker said.

In my opinion, Duane Woerth and the Executive Council took a political position between the US Airways MEC position of a 150-day seniority list integration PID timeline to start on October 24, 2005 and the AWA MEC seeking a January 1, 2006 PID. Woerth's decision was strictly political.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[heyray]

what is PID?

 

[N924PS]

what is PID?

PID-Policy Initiation Date

The clock is running.

 

[TBONEJ4J]

In my opinion, Duane Woerth and the Executive Council took a political position between the US Airways MEC position of a 150-day seniority list integration PID timeline to start on October 24, 2005 and the AWA MEC seeking a January 1, 2006 PID. Woerth's decision was strictly political.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

The thing is though, the extension isn't for the overall process, just the period to establish and verify the respective lists. Sending out a bunch of verification letters with your name and date of hire is hardly going to spoil Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hannukah or Kwanzaa, etc., for the Merger Committees, is it?

I do think you're right that Duane was being strictly political. But to a different end. Something related to lawsuits perhaps?
B)

 

[USA320Pilot]

The issue has nothing to do with lawsuits. The AWA Merger Committee is trying to stall the proceedings to have as many Captain upgrades as possible before the lists and positions are certified. Woerth elected to split the difference between the two MEC chairman positions. In regard to the lawsuit ALPA does not believe it has merit.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[MU2ER]

Do you mean that AWA is upgrading Captains and AAA is not? What does that say/mean if it is actually true? I'm a little slow as usual, but I don't understand what you mean USA320Pilot.

 

[elixir]

I would believe that the AWA guys are trying to get as many in the left seat as possible, and that ALPA does not give merit to the suit, but, the MAA people do...so there you have it...a lawsuit. Few litigants ever believe the other side has merit, or they wouldn't find themselves in court. Mr. Woerth has his hands full with his own NWA folks...he'll be preoccupied for awhile from what I read.

 

[MU2ER]

How / why would AWA be upgrading captains when the projected fleet is minus between 5 and 6 aircraft? The number I have heard keeps varying, but it seems to me that losing 4 Airbuses, 6 737s and 1 757 and acquiring 5 new Airbuses (last # I heard) is a net loss of 6 aircraft.
Why would the AWA MEC try to stall a PID to January or later when it is more likely that there will be a reduction bid rather than an upgrade bid. Not trying to start a fight. I just think that gasoline is being thrown on the fire here with the comment that the AWA MEC is stalling. 😉

 

[autofixer]

Let 'em work the holidays, like the rest of us have for the last 19 years! What a lame excuse! Get it done and get it done quickly. The longer you drag this goat rope out, the more tangled it is going to get!

 

[USA320Pilot]

If the seniority list integration goes to Arbitration nobody knows how the Board of Arbitration will rule, thus it is better to improve your lot if you can. The AWA MEC and its Merger Committee are making decisions they believe would be in the best interest of their pilot group, which it should, just like the US Airways MEC and Merger Committee.

Meanwhile, the US Airways Merger Committee reported today that the deadline for a negotiated settlement is March 3, 2006. Without a negotiated settlement the Mediation/Arbitration phase would begin and an Arbitration Opinion and Award deadline, if required, is April 22, 2006.

Regards,

USA320Pilot