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Piedmont Losing More Dash 8s

Well Delta just dumped a bunch of Brasilias on the market, well their banks did, after the BK judge let them off their lease 😛

Anyway, if you keep an eye on www.speednews.com - aircraft listings - available aicraft, it is a *very* reliable page for commercial aircraft consumers. There are a handful of Dash 8's sittin around, including -300s.
 
Yes, the Q400 would be nice, but as Parker said, our East Coast route structure doesn't make a good fit for operating the Q400. All the old long haul Dash 8 routes have been taken over by the RJs. As for the Western longer haul routes, Mesa has an exclusivity clause in their contract with America West to be the sole express operator out of PHX until 2013.

seems to me that mcclelland said at his meeting in sby that the mesa contract was up for option in a 2 or 3 years, at which time they would determine if they wanted to continue that contract, or terminate it

considering the paltry performance of their equipment out there (specifically the 900's basically being grounded if the temp in PHX or LAS is above 36c, and how often do you think that doesn't happen at either of those two stations?)

this may be pipe dreaming, but the dash is much more suited for the western short haul flying than the crj, so who knows, maybe they'd start another WO out there, or open up a western base for pdt if the numbers looked right to them, imho thats a more likely possibility than us seeing 400's here. running 200/300's around the mountains and four corners states
 
The Mesa Dash 8 contract ends in 2007. The Mesa RJ contract flying ends in 2013. Mesa has exclusive rights to PHX until the end of their contact, 2013. J.O. may be an a-hole, but he's not a dumbass. Just because the Dash 8s might disappear doesn't mean PDT can move on out there.

2013 is the majic number, but as we all know, in aviation a contract can always be broken. I hope it is and I hope I can move back home to PHX.
 
all i know is what i heard mcclelland say,
that there could be no one else providing express lift into phx (las was not included) until '07 when the contract option was up, he did not differntiate it as as prop/rj lift, just said they couldn't have anyone else do it until at least then.
regardless, even if there was a different contract for the jets, we don't fly them, and those crj's cancel left and right during the summer because of the temps
 
all i know is what i heard mcclelland say,
that there could be no one else providing express lift into phx (las was not included) until '07 when the contract option was up, he did not differntiate it as as prop/rj lift, just said they couldn't have anyone else do it until at least then.
regardless, even if there was a different contract for the jets, we don't fly them, and those crj's cancel left and right during the summer because of the temps

Here is what you are talking about from McClelland:

The following is from a Q & A session with Jeff McClelland:

"JM: The wholly owned vs. the affiliates is not well defined yet. However, we do know, simpler is better. Mesa is on its way out for US Airways flying and AWA is in. MESA has exclusive rights to operations in Phoenix. Trans States is out. Goal of the CO is to get feed from the most efficient and effective source. In the big picture, 6-7 express carriers sounds like a lot."

Q: Mesa has D-8 in Phoenix….
JM: There are 6 D-8 in Phoenix that feed. There is an agreement to option in 2007. There are not a lot of small low-density cities to feed PHX to there isn’t a lot of use for them. America West has an agreement with Mesa that if there is express feed into PHX, it will be done exclusively with Mesa."


Here is the 2013 issue:

DISCLOSURE STATEMENT WITH RESPECT TO
JOINT PLAN OF REORGANIZATION OF US AIRWAYS, INC.
AND ITS AFFILIATED DEBTORS AND DEBTORS-IN-POSSESSION

The US Airways Express code share arrangements are either in the form of capacity purchase or prorate agreements ...... The regional jet affiliates with capacity purchase agreements are Chautauqua Airlines, Inc., which operated 35 regional jets as US Airways Express as of March 31, 2005; Mesa Airlines, Inc., which operated 59 regional jets as US Airways Express as of
March 31, 2005; and Trans States Airlines, Inc., which operated 13 regional jets as US Airways Express as
of March 31, 2005. Air Wisconsin Airlines Corporation will also begin operating regional jets under a capacity purchase agreement in August 2005........ The regional jet capacity purchase agreements have expirations from 2008 to 2013 and provide for optional extensions at Group’s discretion. Certain other regional jet agreements are
expected to be amended as a result of the Air Wisconsin agreement.


I will continue to look for the exact contract dates for each carrier, but I am almost 100% positive that the CRJ-900 flying was signed in ink until 2013, which includes PHX exclusivity.
 
how about this: yesterday, the Piedmont Captain of Flight 4255 told a few of us that while he was in CLT the other day, Douglas Parker was talking about ordering the DASH-8-400Q for a number of the routes now done by the RJs. We were told that the DASH-8-400Q is a passenger-friendly aircraft.
 
how about this: yesterday, the Piedmont Captain of Flight 4255 told a few of us that while he was in CLT the other day, Douglas Parker was talking about ordering the DASH-8-400Q for a number of the routes now done by the RJs. We were told that the DASH-8-400Q is a passenger-friendly aircraft.

A PDT Captain would be the absolute last person to know if we were ordering Q400s.



The US Airways Regional has flown through four decades of change. It confronts more following the merger of US Airways and America West Airlines.

By Sandra Arnoult
Salisbury, MD
Air Transport World, November 2005, p.77

You can say this about Piedmont Airlines: It is a company with staying power. Since its formation in 1931 it has changed names, ownership, aircraft and location, yet still it lives today as a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways operating in the Major's Express network.

That resilience will serve Piedmont well as it confronts the possibility of still more change ahead after US Airways' merger with America West Airlines in late September.

Founded by the late Richard "Dick" Henson, a test pilot for Fairchild Aircraft and one of the legends of the Regional airline industry, Piedmont began its life in Hagerstown, Md., as Henson Aviation, an FBO, and did not launch scheduled service until 1962, connecting the small city in the western part of the state to Washington National Airport, a journey of perhaps 90 mi. In 1967, Henson joined with US Airways' predecessor, Allegheny Airlines, in the nation's first codeshare relationship. It also became the first member of the Allegheny Commuter system created to provide service in markets too small to be served by the larger jets entering fleets at the time.

Dick Henson made history of another kind in 1983 when he agreed to sell his company to another fast-growing carrier, Charlotte-based Piedmont Airlines. Henson Airlines left the Allegheny network to become the first Piedmont Commuter and reprise its role as a feeder. But what goes around comes around, and when US Airways acquired Piedmont in 1987, Henson Airlines returned with it and became part of the US Airways Express network. It was renamed Piedmont in the early 1990s to preserve the name and protect US Airways' continued use of the brand.

Whether as Henson, Allegheny Commuter, The Piedmont Regional Airline or US Airways Express, the carrier's mission hasn't changed that much over nearly four decades. "Our real role is to feed US Airways hubs," says President and CEO Steve Farrow at the airline's headquarters on Maryland's storied Eastern Shore. "We pretty much fly where US Airways thinks makes sense to us." That means predominately feeding its partner's hubs at Philadelphia (30%), Charlotte (30%), LaGuardia (15%) and Pittsburgh (10%). To do this, it operates 485 daily departures to 74 destinations with a fleet of 56 Dash 8s and some 3,900 employees.

That is not expected to change with the merger, at least not initially although there is always the possibility of adjustments. The new US Airways has said that it will retain major hubs in Charlotte, Phoenix and Philadelphia, with secondary hub/focus cities at Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, New York LaGuardia and Reagan Washington National Airport. It also specifically noted that Piedmont and another Regional subsidiary, PSA, will continue to operate in the US Airways Express network. "Obviously Regional feed is a big part of our operation and will continue to be as we move forward with the new merged airline," says US Airways spokesperson Phil Gee.

Until last year, a third wholly owned Regional operated under the name Allegheny, but it was merged into Piedmont. "There was redundancy," explains a spokesperson. "They both flew Dash 8s." In combination, the airlines carried about 3.9 million passengers last year and flew 732.9 million RPMs, achieving a load factor of 55.5%.


Prop Fan

Although a member of the US Airways family for close to 20 years, Piedmont has not been tapped to fly regional jets, a role performed by PSA as well as contract carriers such as Chautauqua Airlines. This leaves Piedmont with a large turboprop fleet and slim chances of ever operating RJs, but Farrow doesn't express any regrets. "You always want to operate new aircraft, but I really don't think you want to overlook the value of turboprops," he says. He notes that Piedmont enjoys the benefit of commonality because all of its aircraft, a mix of Dash 8-100/-200/-300 types, belong to the same family. "Years ago when I came here we had three aircraft typesBeech 99, Shorts 330 and the Dash 8. It was an absolute monster. Pilots would get checked out in one aircraft, they would get the seniority and they would upgrade to something else."

As for the Dash 8s, "We use them interchangeably. A pilot can have his first flight in a dash 100, his second in a dash 200 and his third in a dash 300. All of the pilots and flight attendants are qualified for all three aircraft. There is a lot of cost in mixed fleets. The schedule we fly now is high utilization, now about 10.5 hours. The average stage length is about one hour ten minutes."

Farrow is convinced of the enduring value of turboprops despite the industry's current infatuation with regional jets. "When RJs first came out, a lot of studies said passengers preferred them to turboprops. I'm not sure if that is as valid as people thought," he opines. "If you offer people frequency, if you offer reliable service and if you get them there with their bags, I really don't think it makes a great deal of difference."

Besides, he points out, there always will be some markets that are unsuitable for RJ service. "As long as you have a hub-and-spoke arrangement, there are some spokes that don't make economic sense with an RJ. As long as you have short legs, you will have turboprops. They also make sense for some slightly longer legs because of the economics involved, particularly in a high fuel environment."

Within the US Airways Express system, the increase in RJ flying had a profound impact on turboprop operations. But, Farrow says, "There is still more turboprop flying today than people would have said there would be five years ago. Some thought turboprops would be dinosaursextinct."


Wish List

While he doesn't long for RJs, he admits to eyeing the Q400 wistfully. "We've had demonstrations and we are impressed with it," he says. "I think [Q400 customer] Horizon Air has done very well. But they have longer stage lengths, different geography. They've been very pleased."

In terms of career paths, Regionals used to be the training ground for Major airline pilots, but since 9/11 hiring by legacy passenger carriers has been at a standstill. However, there is competition from other Regionals that have been growing and adding aircraft, and from package carriers such as DHL and UPS. Some Piedmont pilots have moved on to low-cost carriers like AirTran or JetBlue. But this year the pilot attrition rate is at 27% compared to 38% in 2004. "We've had a lot of people come here and stay for a variety of reasons. Allegheny was the same way. We have lots of experienced pilots," Farrow says. Recently, a pilot retired after 30 years with the company, he notes.

Bringing new pilots onboard has changed, though. "Years ago, you were getting 3,000-4,000-hour pilots who had been flying FBO, corporate or as flight instructors. There are not nearly the number of those pilots looking for jobsat least not here." Meanwhile, the aviation programs at North Dakota and Purdue universities have provided a consistently good pool of pilot applicants, he says. "We've worked with them for some time and are very satisfied. The Purdue program is not as big in terms of numbers but very good quality graduates."

While the business has changed, the mission stays the same for Piedmont Airlines: To provide high-quality connecting service essential to the mainline carrier. "Our biggest challenge and our stock in trade is to fly the best operational product that we can," Farrow says.
 
Great article........Long live Piedmont, one of the BEST! Hopefully the folks in Tempe will realize the value Piedmont brings in filling in the spokes, not every city/town can handle an RJ. I have read alot of favorable reviews on the 400Q.....hope to see them soon, you guys/gals deserve them!
 
Letter from PDT's President:


DATE: December 9, 2005

TO: All Employees

FROM: Steve Farrow

SUBJECT: 2006 Piedmont Fleet


We are still finalizing our 2006 budget, but we are far enough along to update you on our fleet plans for 2006. I’ll throw in the “always subject to change†caveat, but this is where we are as of today. The plan is for us to operate a fleet of 53 active D-8’s beginning in January, 2006. In terms of block hours it will be about 2% less on a monthly basis than what we are currently flying. In addition to the 53 operating aircraft, we will have 1 operational spare, 2 aircraft offline getting major maintenance checks, and at some point 1 aircraft offline being painted in the new livery. We are planning to operate at the 53 level at least until April, when we may drop down to 52, which would then be the active level for the remainder of the year. Although the overall fleet numbers are essentially constant for 2006, we will have some additions and deletions, specifically with our leased model -200’s. All of the –200 leases expire in the first half of 2006 and because of tax and other economic issues, the lessor is not interested in long term extensions for us. As the –200’s are returned, we will replace them by extending –100 leases, or with new –100 leases, often aircraft we have previously leased. I know you all appreciate the performance of the –200’s, but the economics of a small fleet at sharply higher lease rates just do not work. After the –200’s are replaced, we will have a fleet of 12 -300’s and the remainder –100’s, 32 of which are aircraft we own.

In terms of markets, the early 2006 plan is very similar to what we are flying today, with PHL, CLT and LGA markets accounting for about 80% of what we do and PIT and BOS accounting for the remainder. As changes occur, we will let you know.
 
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