Pitbull "from We On The Inside" ?

[jetmechline]

Pitbull posted : 9/7/2003 10:58 pm.
From we on the inside...do not underestimate the members of the IAM here at U.
Forget UAL.

Our members are MUCH stronger, don't matter what union is repesenting them.

"They are in control, here. In the truest meaning of that concept."

"ain't over...til it's over....I'll be seeing you on the other side" of this, my friend.

Next few months will be very interesting for Labor, Mangagement and the public.

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From we on the inside...do not underestimate the members of the IAM here at U.

I DON’T UNDERESTIMATE THE MEMBERSHIP; IT’S THE LEADERSHIP I’M CONCERNED ABOUT!

Forget UAL.

SURE WHY NOT? THE IAM DID, THAT’S WHY THEY GOT THE BOOT LAST JULY.

Our members are MUCH stronger, don't matter what union is repesenting them. "They are in control, here. In the truest meaning of that concept."

WHAT CONVINCED YOU OF THIS? WAS IT THE FORCED REVOTE OF SEPT.17 2002?

"ain't over...til it's over....I'll be seeing you on the other side" of this, my friend.

Next few months will be very interesting for Labor, Mangagement and the public.

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OPEN AND REVIEW PAGES 23 THRU 45.

The IAM was recently found guilty of these charges and now have appealed. See copy of appeal on IAM 141m site under US Airways.

 

[jetmechline]

The following scans are copies of a lawsuit filed against the IAM and USAir by Mechanics formerly employed by Trump Shuttle and Eastern Airlines before the acquisition of the Shuttle by USAir.

UPDATE: The IAM was recently found guilty of these charges and now have appealed. See copy of appeal on IAM 141m site under US Airways.

The link to this record was deleted, I was not aware that “posting themâ€￾ were not permitted. My apology to the moderator, it will not happen again. If anyone is interested in it, I’ll be glad to e-mail it thru “JETMECHLINEâ€￾.

Pay particular attention pages 26, 27,28,37, 38, 42, 43 and 45.

Page 1 - Plaintiffs, Defendants

page 2 - Relevant Parties and Jurisdiction

Page 3 - More Relevant Parties and Jurisdiction

Page 4 - Even More Relevant Parties and Jurisdiction

Page 5 - End of Relevant Parties and Jurisdiction

Page 6 - Facts Giving Rise to This Action; Eastern Shuttle and Its Acquisition by Trump

Page 7 - EAL Employees to Receive Full Seniority at Trump

Page 8 - More Guarantees of Seniority Rights for EAL Employees at Trump

Page 9 - Successful Bidders to Resign from EAL, IAM not involved

Page 10 - EAL, TAC guarantee "seniority and longevity" - Donald Trump to Honor EAL Seniority (Trump was under oath)

Page 11 - Plaintiff's Position in re Seniority Page

12 - 85 EAL Mechanics Bid Trump Shuttle, EAL Strike, EAL Files Chapter 11 Page

13 - Bankruptcy Court Approves Sale, Mechanics Report for Work

Page 14 - Defendant IAM's Longstanding Hostility Toward, and Bitter Hatred of, AMFA

Page 15 - Why IAM Hates AMFA

Page 16 - IAM Likely to Lose UAL, Examples of AMFA Bashing, Vandalism, Intimidation, Violence Against AMFA Supporters

Page 17 - Trump Mechanics Elect AMFA, Trump Restructures Debt, Shuttle Fate Murky

Page 18 - USAir to Take Over Shuttle, Seeks "Single-Carrier" Status, Promises to integrate work forces

Page 19 - IAM Joins Single-Carrier Application, USAir to Honor EAL Date-of-Hire for nonunion workers, IAM to honor same for IAM represented workers - "Loyal" IAM/USAir Mechanics begin petition drive to deny same EAL seniority to Shuttle Mechanics because ex-EAL Mechanics had voted AMFA

Page 20 - IAM, USAir Refuse to Discuss Seniority, From 1992 to 1999 USAir Maintained Separate Work forces Within Classification, Two (2) Collective Bargaining Agreements, Separate Seniority Lists

Page 21 - NMB Makes "Single Carrier" Ruling, USAir Still Operated Shuttle Independently

Page 22 - IAM Discriminates Against ex-EAL Mechanics, USAir Agrees to Recognize EAL Seniority, Needs IAM Approval.

Page 23 - IAM Convinces USAir to Deny Former EAL/Trump Shuttle Mechanics Seniority

Page 24 - IAM Deliberately Lied to Mechanics Page

Page 25 - IAM Again Deliberately Lied to Mechanics,

Page 26 - IAM Refuses to Allow Mechanics Participation at Meeting Regarding Seniority

Page 27 - IAM Again Refuses to Allow Mechanics to be Present at Meeting Page

Page 28 - IAM Refuses to Allow Neutral to Make Decision, Continues to Deceive Mechanics

Page 29 - IAM/USAir Agree to New Contract in 1994, Seniority Clauses

Page 30 - USAir Acquires Full Ownership of Shuttle Page

Page 31 - Trump Shuttle Becomes Wholly USAir Owned Subsidiary, USAir to Retire B727s

Page 32 - IAM Seniority Committee

Page 33 - IAM Finally Informs Mechanics of Seniority Denial, Refuses to Allow Member Participation in Discussions

Page 34 - IAM Falsely Accuses Mechanics in Order to Ostracize Them from Mainline Workforce, Thiede Rejects Appeal

Page 35 - May 1999 Letter of Agreement

Page 36 - IAM/USAir "Redeployment" Scheme

Page 37 - USAir/IAM Collusion, AFA Provided Full Seniority for EAL Flight Attendants

Page 38 - Shuttle Ticket Agents Received Full EAL Seniority

Page 39 - Quote From IAM Legal Memorandum

Page 40 - IAM Historical View Regarding Seniority, Harm to ex-EAL Mechanics

Page 41 - More Harm to ex-EAL Mechanics, IAM Duty of Fair Representation

Page 42 - Thiede and Snyder Implicated

Page 43 - USAir Also Liable

Page 44 - Plaintiffs Entitled to Damages to be Determined at Trial

Page 45 - Plaintiffs Entitled to Enforcement of Promises

Page 46 - Plaintiffs Seek ...

 

[pitguy]

I may not be a fan of the current union leadership regime, but I do realize it is they whom will be here for this battle so I suggest we all come together and let's prepare to kick some hiney to save our futures. This is about our work and our livelihoods. The union choice battle has to wait or WE lose and that is what THEY are banking on. Let's not fall into their scheme of things and let us show them we still shut this place down again. No Airbus work then there will be no airline.


-- The number one reason a person will strike and stay out is job preservation.

-- Thanks again to our wonderful Flight Attendants. We in Maintenance owe you and will be there for you.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

I may not be a fan of the current union leadership regime, but I do realize it is they whom will be here for this battle so I suggest we all come together and let's prepare to kick some hiney to save our futures. This is about our work and our livelihoods. The union choice battle has to wait or WE lose and that is what THEY are banking on. Let's not fall into their scheme of things and let us show them we still shut this place down again. No Airbus work then there will be no airline.


-- The number one reason a person will strike and stay out is job preservation.

-- Thanks again to our wonderful Flight Attendants. We in Maintenance owe you and will be there for you.

Pitguy,

You Sir are 100% correct. I'm not thrilled with the IAM either..but we need to fight those set on destroying OUR futures , one battle at a time.

Changing Unions...or debating changing unions at this point in the ultimate battle over stopping work leaving us , is to say the least counter-productive.

Lets win the fight against the company over outsourcing our work first....then whom represents will settle itself based on the end result. Even if the IAM Membership does preserve the work we own? We still have the ability to change if that is deemed necessary by the majority?

I'm sure the one thing that all we agree upon...is preserving our jobs and futures!!

One fight at a time....as house divided rarely wins.

 

[PITbull]

JetMech,

That post is in reference to a response to Piney Bob. What I know very well, is the character, integrity, resiliance, and strength of the mechanic membership. (that's the INSIDE). I do not focus on UAL and its members who ALLOWED OUT SOURCING for what ever reasons we could argue all day and night.


Point......Mechanics here at U are in control of everything that has to do with their work...with leadership or without their leadership. THEY CONTROL THEIR OWN DESTINY. I am not sure you and I speak the same language. I am not using this time to batter the leadership, I am here to support who counts in this and THAT IS THE MECHANIC MEMBERSHIP! Period. The leadership is not something I need to argue with the members. I am not one for that argument, that too, will have to be dealt with by the mechanics only ....now or later in THIER TIME and in THEIR ARENA.