Pre-Chapter 11
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This is a thread in the American Airlines forum about the TWU negotiating tactics pre-Ch 11 at American Airlines. Not sure what place the IAM and history of concessions and bankruptcies at US Airways has to do with any of this.
Josh
Informer knows that the bankruptcy filing would have happened anyway. Informer is correct that he (and all other TWU-represented mechanics) would have thousands of dollars in their pockets had they ratified the failed TA. And it's fairly obvious that the bankruptcy-imposed contract would have involved concessions.
Nothing in your post proves that Informer is wrong. Informer is correct: The TWU-members turned down a payraise (combined with various concessions) and now they're going to get the bankruptcy-imposed contract with all its concessions. Probably all the concessions the failed TA contained and then some.
What's different about the two scenarios? The thousands of dollars Informer would have pocketed as a result of the failed TA.
And thats is the membership's prerogative, he just blames Bob Owens, Bob is one man with one vote.
AA would have increased their ask to make up for the additional costs.
He keeps crying over what the majority of his coworkers wanted.
Its enough all ready, its time to stick together, they have no clue what they are in store for, I lived it and was totally involved with it.
It wont be pretty.
AA would have increased their ask to make up for the additional costs.
He keeps crying over what the majority of his coworkers wanted.
Its enough all ready, its time to stick together, they have no clue what they are in store for, I lived it and was totally involved with it.
It wont be pretty.
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I need no education from an AFL-CIO industrial type union. The lessons that they have been teaching are one of the reasons unionism is falling short. It has been proven that the "enemy" will not pay wages monetarily equal across the board. Compensation will be paid based on skill sets and demand. The times of compensating based on Socialism are coming to an end.
What does the IAM have to do with TWU?
So 9/11, SARS and Oil Prices have nothing to do with what is happening and happened?
And and the only Mechanics "Craft" Union failed miserably, how did that work out at NW for the Mechanics?
Skills? Yes your skilled, but when you can fly an Aircraft to any country in the world paying slave wages, your skills mean nothing anymore.
There are plenty of MROs in the US and all over the world overhauling planes.
And there were thousands lined up to take jobs at NW.
Its all about supply and demand, and cost.
I dont condone what happened but the "elitism" attitude of a lot of A&Ps has caused the damage that has been done and being done.
And and the only Mechanics "Craft" Union failed miserably, how did that work out at NW for the Mechanics?
Skills? Yes your skilled, but when you can fly an Aircraft to any country in the world paying slave wages, your skills mean nothing anymore.
There are plenty of MROs in the US and all over the world overhauling planes.
And there were thousands lined up to take jobs at NW.
Its all about supply and demand, and cost.
I dont condone what happened but the "elitism" attitude of a lot of A&Ps has caused the damage that has been done and being done.
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As much as your post has greater validity than anyone else.
Don't you have some old lady's home to repo?
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911, SARS and Oil Prices are those issues that would've happened anyway, they are not based on the type of unionism you promote.
The only mechanics union has failed at a level much lower than any of you socialistic catch all unions. While NW was a lesson that the AMFA learned, the IAM and the TWU have yet to learn anything about what the members need and want. Your type if unionism is based on fear..
Skilled, you throw it around with little or no care. After 20+ years the TWU is finally seeing the devastating effects, not simply to the airline industry, but to American labor itself. Now that the revenue stream of the TWU is threatened, they react.
AMFA, represents the highest and possibly the second highest paid passenger carrying carriers., for the mechanics. Your thought processes that force you to clump all labor into one social class is your downfall.
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You are correct about the amount lined up to take jobs at NW. Your scab union was lined up also. After the strike started how many iam represented employees were doing the deicing at the stations that the AMFA mechanics were doing, prior to the strike? Don't avoid the question and don't tap dance around it. It is a simple question just answer it. I will keep asking the question until you answer it truthfully.
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He cannot answer truthfully.
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Man, you guys just never fricken change.
The IAM bunch said THE SAME #### about the mechanics at NWA.
When the mechs get tired of getting crapped on for decades and want a change- they're labeled "elitists". The mechanics in this industry are SICK AND TIRED of getting hosed contract after contract. It's high time to take from the unskilled and give it those that shoulder FAR MORE responsibility and liability. You boys go fend for yourselves.
Btw, good luck with that.
He will give the same answer to this one.
Why was an IAM represented employee performing the same job functions that I did only hours after I went on strike? That is the definition of a scab.
The only thing worse than that is having the union president and his minions encouraging it.
Wait, there is another thing that makes it even worse...having a IAM apologist/leader justifying it on this board while whistling past the graveyard.
Pathetic.
Upon the end of the 30 day cooling off period, NW imposed new terms on mechanic and related, removing ancillary duties from the CBA.
The Fleet service CBA all ready contained the language for ancillary duties, as Fleet did that work at more stations than mechanic and related.
So if Fleet refused to do the work in their CBA, that would be insubordination.
Explain to me how receipt and dispatch, air starts and deicing broke AMFA and caused a successful elimination of AMFA at NW?
The Fleet service CBA all ready contained the language for ancillary duties, as Fleet did that work at more stations than mechanic and related.
So if Fleet refused to do the work in their CBA, that would be insubordination.
Explain to me how receipt and dispatch, air starts and deicing broke AMFA and caused a successful elimination of AMFA at NW?
