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Question for the West

I really don't know anything about Maestro, so how was the system being abused and or manipulated?
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Why does this shock anyone out west? We have always been ruled through fear because they cannot hire a manager that actually knows how to manage. That is what cheap wages get you! And, our ever helpful union allows the abuse to continue!
 
Sure there are some guilty parties but not everyone. They went too far this time! You have the mentality of Inflight Guilty till proven innocent.
 
The criticism is solely for what has happened so far.

Taking steps to eliminate potential loopholes should be treated as a management function. To punish those who take advantage of vulnerabilities is really stupid from a security standpoint, which emphasizes the "us vs them" mentality that cripples the US daily operation. It tends to silence potential whistleblowers.

Besides. What took the "managers" so long to figure it out? Perhaps they were taking advantage of the system in a similar manner, until someone blew the whistle? Perhaps US should have a full investigation?

What planet are you living on? What has happened so far is that people got caught with misuse of company assets. Try opening up your little employee guidebook, it is spelled out.

Punishing those who did so is really stupid? What do you think due process for them should be? Maybe some little golden keyboard reward for being clever? This is so not about security or crippling the US daily operation. It is about the "buddy" system that was in place with a touch of , we can beat the system and since we can we will, meglomania thrown in.

Last paragraph is truly a desperate attempt to divert attention. Management, scheduling or IT derive absolutely no benefit by Trip XYZ going from F/A Jones to F/A Brown outside of normal functions. That assertion is inane.

And if you want another viewpoint of how disappointing and distastful this whole little chapter is....ask any pilot what they think should be done to someone who messes with the scheduling system for their advantage.
 
There is one function I would really like to see added to catcrew option 5 and that is Lead pay. If that could be viewed in real time, pay discrepancies could be handled before the end of the pay period.
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What planet are you living on? What has happened so far is that people got caught with misuse of company assets. Try opening up your little employee guidebook, it is spelled out.

Punishing those who did so is really stupid? What do you think due process for them should be? Maybe some little golden keyboard reward for being clever? This is so not about security or crippling the US daily operation. It is about the "buddy" system that was in place with a touch of , we can beat the system and since we can we will, meglomania thrown in.

Last paragraph is truly a desperate attempt to divert attention. Management, scheduling or IT derive absolutely no benefit by Trip XYZ going from F/A Jones to F/A Brown outside of normal functions. That assertion is inane.

And if you want another viewpoint of how disappointing and distastful this whole little chapter is....ask any pilot what they think should be done to someone who messes with the scheduling system for their advantage.

Okay, now that we have established that Ms. Stone is a member of management....

First off, that would be spelled "megAlomania. 😉

Not that sharktooth can't defend their own posts, but what in the world does the current witch hunt in inflight have to do with pilots? Like the pilots really care what is going on with the flight attendants. I think they're more concerned with issues surrounding seniority. Furthermore, this whole maestro madness is assisine because innocent people HAVE been caught up in this because there are people running this whole "investigation" that don't even really know how maestro works.

Maestro is a substandard product with ZERO reliability as evidenced by last nights meltdown of the entire system on a critical day, the opening of DPU. No one could drop/pick up for hours, FA's couldn't check in, schedulers couldn't do what they needed to do. Classic example of why some FA's have felt the need to find any loop hole they could. While some FA's were legitimately caught doing unethical transactions, the fact is that inflight has been aware of ALL of these issues for quite some time and chose to do nothing about it until it started impacting their department in a negative way. It really boils down to this, two wrongs don't make a right and inflight management should show some ownership with what has been going on. THEY KNEW about all this for MONTHS!!!!
 
I thought the "ask any pilot" comment pretty strange, too.

This is getting curiouser and curiouser.
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....ask any pilot what they think should be done to someone who messes with the scheduling system for their advantage.

You did, and one gave you an answer. This affects every employee at this company. It is unconscionable to me that management is so screwed up here that you feel you must defend absolute bovine fertilizer. I mean, are you married to O.J.?

Until the rules are spelled out and clear, you are on shaky ground "punishing" those who simply are pushing the limits of a given system. Rules should be spelled out as simply "be ethical" hardly means much these days. I mean, if you were CEO and ethical, would you not resign with a DUI?

That is what being a manager is all about at a real company.

Now that I find out the managers knew about this loophole, yet did not inform their clients (F/As) how to deal with it. I think the supervisors who knew but did not inform should be terminated. I even hear one supervisor was "helping" their friends.....
 
Could someone please explain what is/was going on!

I'll try to make this brief with a disclaimer that some of this is second/third hand information so take it for what it is worth.

ONE flight attendant in the west was picking up trips off the ETB for cash and then turning around and dumping them into company open time. Problem with that was this flight attendant had figured out a "loop-hole" in the maestro computer program that would allow a trip to be dropped regardless of the staffing. Most of August was critically staffed and this just added to it. Inflight management "found out" this FA's shenanigans and the sh*t hit the fan. Now the flight attendant is no longer here. Rumor has it the FA was allowed to retire. Where the plot really thickens is that this FA did so many transactions (were talking a couple hundred or so) that anyone this FA may have picked up a trip from is now subject to this "witch hunt". Inflight is using the tactic that everyone is guilty by association, hence the term witch hunt. Some innocent folks are being put through he** because they had no clue what was going on. All they did was post a trip on the ETB with cash and when it was picked up they paid which is what you're supposed to do when you post a trip with cash.

Some other FA's have been terminated by inflight for being guilty of "violating the code of conduct with unethical behavior". Those folks had nothing to do with the former, but they had figured out yet another "loop-hole" in maestro that allowed them to pick up trips out of company open time within the 48 hour cutoff window established per our contract. This is/was known amongst everyone (including inflight management and scheduling) as "time traveling". The most irritating thing in all this is inflight management KNEW of these loop-holes and did NOTHING about it for months. Like I said in a previous post two wrongs don't make a right and inflight management has an obligation to take some responsilbility for what occurred. Inflight management and scheduling chose to turn an blind eye rather than spend some money to fix the system. Only when the staffing got so out of hand that their higher-ups were wondering what was going on did they choose to do something. So, now we have a witch hunt going on. What I find a bit hypocritical is that these FA's were terminated for ethics while it seems our own management doesn't realize their own transgressions.
 
Just because one guy did it and confessed (dumba**) doesn't mean everyone knows "the secret".
 
I hope the union is involved and is trying to get these people's jobs back. Why would the company care if people are picking up open time? Trips are being covered, right?

Just my opinion.
 
I don't see the problem. On the East, ETB trips are picked-up with $$$ all the time. This doesn't mean that the receiver has to fly it at all. It takes the trip off of the original poster's hands, and that's all he cares about. ETB trips aren't considered 'Company Time' anyway...and why does anyone care how a flight attendant picks-up and drops trips on ETB, so long as the trips are covered. There is no 'Loophole or Secret', and this is a non-issue. Inflight should worry about more important things.
 
I really don't see this as a firing offence. Hell, the company walks all over our contract all the time.
If it was such a big no-no, just slap them on the wrist and give the " go forth and sin no more" lecture.
 
The inital offender in this whole thing was dumping them back into open time despite negative staffing. The computer shouldn't have let them do it. This person had figured out a method so that the computer did not have any recognition of staffing. All of us pick up trips for $$$ and most of us change them, that is not the problem. Now the problem they think is its more than one person. Sure they might be a few. But to drag in, accuse people of this, and term them. Mind you one woman was termed and offered her job back the next day, looks like their little investigation isn't going well. Its because the system is flawed!!!! So Sharon Stone tell me why each of these individuals is guilty?
 

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