Question

[Doc]

How many of you think they will come after more money.
I for one think it would be a big mistake for U to come after more cuts.
They keep saying that U must bring their cost down to America West you see this is how it starts.

 

[PITbull]

How many of you think they will come after more money.
I for one think it would be a big mistake for U to come after more cuts.
They keep saying that U must bring their cost down to America West you see this is how it starts.

[post="269454"][/post]​

uh, just to make things crystal clear, AWA has higher labor costs than we do. There f/as are up for a 5% increase as they are rapping up their sec. 6 negotiations. They have 24 months active rate medical premiums for all medical leaves (we had 90 days, and just this week received 6 months "active rate premiums" for our medical leaves) Their DH pay is at 100% paid, 100% credit, where ours is 50% paid and NO credit.

Their f/as are depressed that there may be a chance that they will have to hook up with us, and our deplorable work conditions.

They are none to pleased, and it doesn't have to do with a seniority issue.

I feel bad that U brings nothing to the table but BK.

 

[delldude]

if i remember correctly one of the comparisons for our much ballyhooed transformation plan was america west and their wage structure.....guess they were telling us something but my crystal ball didn't pick it up....

 

[libertybell]

How many of you think they will come after more money.
I for one think it would be a big mistake for U to come after more cuts.
They keep saying that U must bring their cost down to America West you see this is how it starts.

[post="269454"][/post]​

Does a Bear do it in the woods!

 

[delldude]

maybe they'd two tier us in until our contracts expire??
i do know seniority of the U workforce will be an issue.....we'll go to the top of their list/payscale.... .

 

[Doc]

Just a note.... I believe that their rampers and customer service are well below our pay scale. There pilots make more than ours and I am not sure about the fa's.

It will be interesting to say the least.

My bet U will piss off every employee groupe.

 

[IAM1776PHL]

Just a note.... I believe that their rampers and customer service are well below our pay scale. There pilots make more than ours and I am not sure about the fa's.

It will be interesting to say the least.

My bet U will piss off every employee groupe.

[post="269472"][/post]​

F/S
 start at $7.50
top out in 4 yrs at $15.20
FYI
SUCCESSORSHIP AND MERGERS
1.                  This Agreement shall be binding upon any successor or assign of the Company unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended.  For purposes of this Paragraph C.1, a successor or assign shall be defined as an entity (other than an air carrier or an entity which owns or is owned by an air carrier) which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of the Company through a single transaction or multi-step related transactions which close within a twelve (12) month period.
 
2.         In the event of a complete merger between the Company and another air carrier (i.e., the combination of all or substantially all the assets of the two carriers) where the surviving carrier decides to integrate the pre-merger operations, the following procedures will apply: (a) if the Company is the surviving carrier, the Company will integrate the Fleet Service Employees in accordance with TWU Merger Policy if both groups are TWU-represented, and in accordance with Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny Mohawk  LPP’s if the Fleet Service Employees of the Company’s merger partner are not represented by TWU; and (b) if the Company is not the surviving carrier, the Company will make reasonable efforts to have the surviving carrier integrate the Fleet Service Employees in the same manner as stated in (a) of this paragraph.

Also
SECTION 28
DURATION (Five Years)
 
 
This Agreement shall become effective upon the date of signing, and shall remain in full force and effect until June 12, 2005, and shall renew itself without change each succeeding June 12 thereafter unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title 1 of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party hereto at least sixty days prior to June 12, 2005, or any June 12 thereafter.

 

[delldude]

F/S
start at $7.50
top out in 4 yrs at $15.20
FYI
SUCCESSORSHIP AND MERGERS
1. This Agreement shall be binding upon any successor or assign of the Company unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended. For purposes of this Paragraph C.1, a successor or assign shall be defined as an entity (other than an air carrier or an entity which owns or is owned by an air carrier) which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of the Company through a single transaction or multi-step related transactions which close within a twelve (12) month period.

2. In the event of a complete merger between the Company and another air carrier (i.e., the combination of all or substantially all the assets of the two carriers) where the surviving carrier decides to integrate the pre-merger operations, the following procedures will apply: (a) if the Company is the surviving carrier, the Company will integrate the Fleet Service Employees in accordance with TWU Merger Policy if both groups are TWU-represented, and in accordance with Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny Mohawk LPP’s if the Fleet Service Employees of the Company’s merger partner are not represented by TWU; and (B) if the Company is not the surviving carrier, the Company will make reasonable efforts to have the surviving carrier integrate the Fleet Service Employees in the same manner as stated in (a) of this paragraph.

Also
SECTION 28
DURATION (Five Years)


This Agreement shall become effective upon the date of signing, and shall remain in full force and effect until June 12, 2005, and shall renew itself without change each succeeding June 12 thereafter unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title 1 of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party hereto at least sixty days prior to June 12, 2005, or any June 12 thereafter.

[post="269473"][/post]​

the Company will make reasonable efforts
same language they use to screw you out of your vacation pick when bumping.....don't hold your breath.

 

[Harry Callahan]

How many of you think they will come after more money.
I for one think it would be a big mistake for U to come after more cuts.
They keep saying that U must bring their cost down to America West you see this is how it starts.

[post="269454"][/post]​

I hope I am wrong but my humble opinion is there is MORE to give & fleet service will gladly BEND over again & let them stick it well you know where.

 

[roadtrip]

I hope I am wrong but my humble opinion is there is MORE to give & fleet service will gladly BEND over again & let them stick it well you know where.

[post="269481"][/post]​

Once again the Sheep will be led off to the slaughter house and leading the way will be the "Leaders of the IAM" holding the door open and telling them its the best we can do!

 

[fanlube]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but dosen't AWA outsource all their heavy maintenance? Not likely to see them bring it to Pit or Clt. And according to the Labor Advisory slideshow there was something in their about future cost savings for future facility closures? Could there be more pain on the way?

 

[delldude]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but dosen't AWA outsource all their heavy maintenance? Not likely to see them bring it to Pit or Clt. And according to the Labor Advisory slideshow there was something in their about future cost savings for future facility closures? Could there be more pain on the way?

[post="269506"][/post]​

yeah baby!!
give them inhouse bus work while outsourcing everything else...we'll get the full monty down the road....
glass and company playbook,2004

 

[twoturnin]

I'am just hoping they sell all at RIDC and let em move on--they got the wages right now --let AWA run the show---we all know how well middle management has run this place last 15 yrs--culture change you betcyabottomdollar I'am for that.

 

[Doc]

F/S
 start at $7.50
top out in 4 yrs at $15.20
FYI
SUCCESSORSHIP AND MERGERS
1.                  This Agreement shall be binding upon any successor or assign of the Company unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended.  For purposes of this Paragraph C.1, a successor or assign shall be defined as an entity (other than an air carrier or an entity which owns or is owned by an air carrier) which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of the Company through a single transaction or multi-step related transactions which close within a twelve (12) month period.
 
2.         In the event of a complete merger between the Company and another air carrier (i.e., the combination of all or substantially all the assets of the two carriers) where the surviving carrier decides to integrate the pre-merger operations, the following procedures will apply: (a) if the Company is the surviving carrier, the Company will integrate the Fleet Service Employees in accordance with TWU Merger Policy if both groups are TWU-represented, and in accordance with Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny Mohawk  LPP’s if the Fleet Service Employees of the Company’s merger partner are not represented by TWU; and (B) if the Company is not the surviving carrier, the Company will make reasonable efforts to have the surviving carrier integrate the Fleet Service Employees in the same manner as stated in (a) of this paragraph.

Also
SECTION 28
DURATION (Five Years)
 
 
This Agreement shall become effective upon the date of signing, and shall remain in full force and effect until June 12, 2005, and shall renew itself without change each succeeding June 12 thereafter unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title 1 of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party hereto at least sixty days prior to June 12, 2005, or any June 12 thereafter.

[post="269473"][/post]​

what's this a contract I didn't recognize it.

Please sir may I have some more why yes U how much would you like oh let me think how about 3 more dollars an hour. Thank you BK judge

 

[SpinDoc]

Please sir may I have some more why yes U how much would you like oh let me think how about 3 more dollars an hour. Thank you BK judge

[post="269510"][/post]​

[/quote]

It is unlikely that wages will be further
cut for union members. What IS likely
is that US and HP will be kept on separate
certificates under one holding company
for a year or two, and then the highest
cost provider will be shut down and folded
into the other.

When this occurs, layoffs, retirements,
and terminations will happen in the
entity that has higher costs. There will
be no need for wage reductions
because there will be no employees
to pay.