Rand Paul caught lying about his college record

[Ms Tree]

Tree, please cite the formal education BaRack has, that qualifies him, in your mind, to be leader of the most powerful nation the world has ever seen.

BA from Columbia and law degree from Harvard. But you already knew that. You also know that I did not vote for Obama but against Romney and McCain. You also know that I believe just because someone has a formal education does not necessarily mean they are qualified to be President or CEO.

My point is that someone who does have advanced degree(s) is in my opinion more qualified for any given position than someone who does not.

 

[Ms Tree]

Really?
Obama never had to meet a payroll.
Obama never went through basic training
Obama never felt the sting of combat
Obama never wrote a business plan
Obama never busted his assets to meet a customers deadline.
 
So I guess he is no more then a Harvard degree. A piece of paper, educational Charmin if you will, incapable of decision making because out here in the real world one has to PRODUCE measurable results.

Most of the current crop of candidates never served much less have combat experience. So what? I also most current candidates never really worried about dead lines or payroll either. CEO'S worry about big pictures (like presidents). Someone who worry about payroll probably does not have the experience to run a country.

Why are you so against a formal education. Why is it that you seem to think a person with some life experience is more qualified than someone with a formal education.

 

[southwind]

Someone who worry about payroll probably does not have the experience to run a country.
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Wouldn't think a community organizer would have the experience either but, here we are.

Twist it any way you want to but, a vote against McCain/Palin, is a vote for BaRack!

 

[Ms Tree]

Frame it anyway you choose. I believe McCain and Romney would have been worse for the country.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Most of the current crop of candidates never served much less have combat experience. So what? I also most current candidates never really worried about dead lines or payroll either. CEO'S worry about big pictures (like presidents). Someone who worry about payroll probably does not have the experience to run a country.

Why are you so against a formal education. Why is it that you seem to think a person with some life experience is more qualified than someone with a formal education.

Because I've seen so many great people get stifled in their careers because of having tons of on the job experience but no credential to "Prove" what everybody already knows.
 
Here's one for you. Do you know what the initials CPFM after a persons name stand for? Well here it is.  Certified Parking Facility Manager. No, I'm not making this up. Here's a proof source http://www.myskillsmyfuture.org/CertificationDetails.aspx?onetcode=35101100&detailonetcode=53103100&certid=1279&keyword=Chefs%20&highestmatch=Chefs%20&zipcode=NE&radius=0&workPref=0&indgroup=0&indsize=0
 
A formal education is like the secret handshake to the Water Buffalo Lodge. It gets you in the door, what you do after that is on you. Obama knows the secret handshake but after that he has proven time and again he CAN NOT deliver.

 

[delldude]

BA from Columbia and law degree from Harvard. But you already knew that. You also know that I did not vote for Obama but against Romney and McCain. You also know that I believe just because someone has a formal education does not necessarily mean they are qualified to be President or CEO.

My point is that someone who does have advanced degree(s) is in my opinion more qualified for any given position than someone who does not.

 
Rumor has it......LOL
 
But what about his academic levels?
 
A-B-C-D-F?

 

[eolesen]

My point is that someone who does have advanced degree(s) is in my opinion more qualified for any given position than someone who does not.

Years ago in Field Services, HR, and Finance, AA wouldn't even consider interviewing someone for a L5 or higher unless they had a MBA.

Since AA is the most profitable airline of all times, had great labor relations, and avoided bankruptcy, it was obviously a success, right?

After all, all of those managers, directors, etc. were more qualified than people who actually had experience and knew how an airline worked.

 

[usa1]

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[Ms Tree]

Because I've seen so many great people get stifled in their careers because of having tons of on the job experience but no credential to "Prove" what everybody already knows.
 
 
A formal education is like the secret handshake to the Water Buffalo Lodge. It gets you in the door, what you do after that is on you. Obama knows the secret handshake but after that he has proven time and again he CAN NOT deliver.

Depends on what the career is.  If someone has OJT and has aced their specific area of expertise that is one thing.  When you get to a corporate CEO level, commander in the military or head of state, you need more than expertise in one area.  I believe an advanced degree better prepares one for such a roll.  Notice I said better prepares.  There are always exceptions and as evidenced by the last several presidents and nearly all of Congress an education does not guarantee results or expertise.  Given the option I will take someone with an advanced degree.  The odds are more in your favor.  

 

[Ms Tree]

Years ago in Field Services, HR, and Finance, AA wouldn't even consider interviewing someone for a L5 or higher unless they had a MBA.

Since AA is the most profitable airline of all times, had great labor relations, and avoided bankruptcy, it was obviously a success, right?

After all, all of those managers, directors, etc. were more qualified than people who actually had experience and knew how an airline worked.

Did the "people who actually had experience and knew how an airline worked" know all aspects of the company or just the area where they worked?    As I said above, I think an advanced degree better suits one to know more of how things work.  Not always the case.  I guess when you run a corporation you can promote who ever you choose and see how it works out for you.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Depends on what the career is.  If someone has OJT and has aced their specific area of expertise that is one thing.  When you get to a corporate CEO level, commander in the military or head of state, you need more than expertise in one area.  I believe an advanced degree better prepares one for such a roll.  Notice I said better prepares.  There are always exceptions and as evidenced by the last several presidents and nearly all of Congress an education does not guarantee results or expertise.  Given the option I will take someone with an advanced degree.  The odds are more in your favor.  

 
If Steve Jobs had got his degree would we still have an iPhone or would he have ended up a corporate drone someplace?
 
Like I said and you chose to ignore "Certified Parking Facility Manager" credential. Really? We have become a nation of creeping credentialism as shown above. WHY? One of the reasons is to protect from Affirmative Action/EEOC lawsuits which hurts a large number of people of all races.

 

[Ms Tree]

I do not know.  I lost my crystal ball.  Did you miss the part where I said there are exceptions to the rule?  Did you miss the posts looking at the degrees of the CEO's of the Fortune 500 companies?  
 
I did not miss the CPFM.  I don't care about that persons tile or the fact that they call a garbage person a Sanitation Engineer.  
 
All I am pointing out is that the US armed forces will not promote to officer without at least a 4 yr degree.  Looking at the Fortune 500 companies, the overwhelming majority hold at least 1 degree if not more.  So the fact that Scott Walked wants to run the country but did not think it was important to get a college degree puts him at a sever disadvantage in the job market.

 

[MCI transplant]

And what experience did obama have before being elected to Congress? Was he a CEO of any company? Did he hold any other Government positions? ----- Oh yea! He organized some sort of protest movement in Chicago!   ------- Speaking about obama, higher degrees are expensive,especially in the schools obama went to, wouldn't you say? I'm wondering,------ Who paid for obama's? Some say he applied for, and received, a grant meant for foreign students? But that can't be true?  And we'll never know, it seems obama has had all his records sealed!! I would wonder why is that?

 

[Ms Tree]

Bush was a governor and a businesses owner using daddy's money and connections.  Clinton was a governor. H Bush used daddy's money and connections to get in the oil business and then went into politics. Reagan was an 'B" actor and governor of CA (screwed that place up pretty good).  Carter owned his own farm and was a governor.  .... They all did a bang up job for all their experience.  

 

[MCI transplant]

Bush was a governor and a businesses owner using daddy's money and connections.  Clinton was a governor. H Bush used daddy's money and connections to get in the oil business and then went into politics. Reagan was an 'B" actor and governor of CA (screwed that place up pretty good).  Carter owned his own farm and was a governor.  .... They all did a bang up job for all their experience.  

Hey Tree, I asked about obama! ------- Not Bush! Clinton! Or Reagan! ------ o-b-am-a!!!! Like you said, Clinton was a gov., Bush used his daddy's money,Reagan was an actor. So again, how can a boy, from a broken home, afford Harvard???