Rates of Pay-this is what we deserve

[Informed1]

Below is the current pay rates for flight attendants at AA. Note, they get an even higher rate for time flown over 70hours. There is nothing in our contract (work rules, etc.) that should warrant any less hourly pay. We need to fight for what is fair and equitable in this business. You can guarantee that management is making a similar wage at both companies. I must also add, why is it that in every flight attendant crew news session our memebers ask questions about creamer and coat hangers? Why is no flight attendant asking why management is stalling on our negotiations and failing to offer a fair wage? I don't care about powdered creamer, coat hangers, or overhead bin space on the 320. Pay me a wage that allows me to survive and I'll deal with the small problems!


ARTICLE 3 - COMPENSATION


A. HOURLY BASE RATES OF PAY

For each full month of service, a Flight Attendant shall receive an hourly base rate of pay for seventy (70) hours in accordance with his/her length of service as a Flight Attendant as follows:


Effective 1/1/2003 5/1/2003 5/1/2004 5/1/2005 5/1/2006 5/1/2007 5/1/2008
1st year $22.26 $18.79 $19.07 $19.36 $19.65 $19.94 $20.24
2nd year $24.17 $20.40 $20.71 $21.02 $21.34 $21.66 $21.98
3rd year $26.18 $22.10 $22.43 $22.77 $23.11 $23.46 $23.81
4th year $27.55 $23.25 $23.60 $23.95 $24.31 $24.67 $25.04
5th year $30.76 $25.96 $26.35 $26.75 $27.15 $27.56 $27.97
6th year $35.54 $30.00 $30.45 $30.91 $31.37 $31.84 $32.32
7th year $38.44 $32.44 $32.93 $33.42 $33.92 $34.43 $34.95
8th year $40.51 $34.19 $34.70 $35.22 $35.75 $36.29 $36.83
9th year $42.20 $35.62 $36.15 $36.69 $37.24 $37.80 $38.37
10th year $43.88 $37.03 $37.59 $38.15 $38.72 $39.30 $39.89
11th year $45.32 $38.25 $38.82 $39.40 $39.99 $40.59 $41.20
12th year $46.92 $39.60 $40.19 $40.79 $41.40 $42.02 $42.65
13th year $48.20 $40.68 $41.29 $41.91 $42.54 $43.18 $43.83
14th year $49.40 $41.69 $42.32 $42.95 $43.59 $44.24 $44.90
15th year $50.59 $42.70 $43.34 $43.99 $44.65 $45.32 $46.00

Current contractual rates to (decrease) increase by the following percentages, effective on the stated dates:

5/1/03 (15.6%)
5/1/04 1.5%
5/1/05 1.5%
5/1/06 1.5%
5/1/07 1.5%
5/1/08 1.5%

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B. HOURLY INCENTIVE RATES OF PAY In addition to base pay, a Flight Attendant shall receive hourly incentive pay in accordance with his/her length of service as a Flight Attendant for hours in excess of seventy (70) hours as follows:


Effective 1/1/2003 5/1/2003 5/1/2004 5/1/2005 5/1/2006 5/1/2007 5/1/2008
1st year $25.60 $21.61 $21.93 $22.26 $22.60 $22.93 $23.28
2nd year $27.80 $23.46 $23.82 $24.17 $24.54 $24.91 $25.28
3rd year $30.11 $25.42 $25.79 $26.19 $26.58 $26.98 $27.38
4th year $31.68 $26.74 $27.14 $27.54 $27.96 $28.37 $28.80
5th year $35.37 $29.85 $30.30 $30.76 $31.22 $31.69 $32.17
6th year $40.87 $34.50 $35.02 $35.55 $36.08 $36.62 $37.17
7th year $44.21 $37.31 $37.87 $38.43 $39.01 $39.59 $40.19
8th year $46.59 $39.32 $39.91 $40.50 $41.11 $41.73 $42.35
9th year $48.53 $40.96 $41.57 $42.19 $42.83 $43.47 $44.13
10th year $50.46 $42.58 $43.23 $43.87 $44.53 $45.20 $45.87
11th year $52.12 $43.99 $44.64 $45.31 $45.99 $46.68 $47.38
12th year $53.96 $45.54 $46.22 $46.91 $47.61 $48.32 $49.05
13th year $55.43 $46.78 $47.48 $48.20 $48.92 $49.66 $50.40
14th year $56.81 $47.94 $48.67 $49.39 $50.13 $50.88 $51.64
15th year $58.18 $49.11 $49.84 $50.59 $51.35 $52.12 $52.90

 

[GSEMAN]

Below is the current pay rates REMAINDER OF LENGTHY POST DELETED. DO NOT QUOTE SOMETHING SO LONG TO ADD 1 LINE- THANKS. MODS.

Pat and pension! Go after Parker!

 

[john john]

Below is the current pay rates for flight attendants at AA. Note, they get an even higher rate for time flown over 70hours. There is nothing in our contract (work rules, etc.) that should warrant any less hourly pay. We need to fight for what is fair and equitable in this business. You can guarantee that management is making a similar wage at both companies.

Didn’t AA Flight Attendants go on Strike for this contract?

 

[PHLfa88]

Below is the current pay rates.. REMAINDER OF PREVIOUS QUOTE DELETED- DO NOT QUOTE A LENGTHY POST TO ADD 1 LINE. ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THAT 1 LINE TO CALL SOMEONE NAMES. ENJOY THE TIME OFF.- MOD

Thank For Sharing With The Whole World What Our Pay Is You IDIOT!!!!!!!! :down:

 

[jimntx]

Didn’t AA Flight Attendants go on Strike for this contract?

No, we did not. I started in Sep. 2000. The contract had been in negotiation for a year or more at that point if I remember correctly. The Tentative Agreement was reached in the Summer of 2001. It was ratified by majority vote of the flight attendants and approved on 9/12/2001.

In the Restructuring Participation Agreement that went into effect 01APR2003, we took a 15.6% cut in pay to help keep the company out of bankruptcy. The percentage cut was in base and incentive rates of pay. The cut was actually greater than that because there were other duty rig changes that reduced other incentive pay--such as flying #1 on a "non-purser" 757 trip. Galley pay for 757 was also reduced.

I think the strike you are remembering occurred during contract negotiations in the early 90's--the contract before the current one. IIRC, the strike lasted 3 days.

Thank For Sharing With The Whole World What Our Pay Is You IDIOT!!!!!!!! :down:

This response is TOTALLY uncalled for. Our pay rates are a matter of public knowledge. Just how do think we were able to crow about "industry-leading" pay rates when the contract was approved in 2001? Because we knew what the other airlines were paying.

 

[john john]

No, we did not. I started in Sep. 2000. I think the strike you are remembering occurred during contract negotiations in the early 90's--the contract before the current one. IIRC, the strike lasted 3 days.

So you are a newbe your current pay was a result of your fellow flight attendants going on strike. You better believe management remembers the strike.AA FA had balls I admire them back then

 

[PHLfa88]

No, we did not. I started in Sep. 2000. The contract had been in negotiation for a year or more at that point if I remember correctly. The Tentative Agreement was reached in the Summer of 2001. It was ratified by majority vote of the flight attendants and approved on 9/12/2001.

In the Restructuring Participation Agreement that went into effect 01APR2003, we took a 15.6% cut in pay to help keep the company out of bankruptcy. The percentage cut was in base and incentive rates of pay. The cut was actually greater than that because there were other duty rig changes that reduced other incentive pay--such as flying #1 on a "non-purser" 757 trip. Galley pay for 757 was also reduced.

I think the strike you are remembering occurred during contract negotiations in the early 90's--the contract before the current one. IIRC, the strike lasted 3 days.
This response is TOTALLY uncalled for. Our pay rates are a matter of public knowledge. Just how do think we were able to crow about "industry-leading" pay rates when the contract was approved in 2001? Because we knew what the other airlines were paying.

Since When Is MY PAY Public Knowledge? What? Is It Plasted All Over All The Bill Boards? :down:

 

[Itestwell]

Since When Is MY PAY Public Knowledge? What? Is It Plasted All Over All The Bill Boards? :down:

That's not your pay if you work for US, so no worries.... :blink:

 

[PHLfa88]

That's not your pay if you work for US, so no worries.... :blink:

Does Not Matter If IT's US, AA,DL,NW Or Any One Else..Joe Public DOES NOT NEED To Know... Do YOu THink Any NON Airline Employee On These Boards Will Tell YOu What They Make..Hell.. They Won't Even Tell You What They Do For A Living...But They ALL SEEM To KNOW SOOOOO Much About What We Do And Our Industry!! :huh: :huh:

 

[PHL]

Does Not Matter If IT's US, AA,DL,NW Or Any One Else..Joe Public DOES NOT NEED To Know...

We don't know what your W2's are, so relax. It's a benchmark and puts into perspective the general compensation of an F/A at AA. It's not telling me how many hours YOU personally worked, or what kind of incentive pay you got, and I really don't care about YOU. But if I were job seeking to be an F/A, that contract would give me a "big picture" of the compensation.

It's no different than knowing that someone in the contracting business makes $25/hr, an IT network security specialist makes $90/hr, or a high priced lawyer bills out at $300/hr. They're just benchmarks.

If you want to be in a job where your pay is not so widely known, then get into a non-union job.

 

[Itestwell]

Does Not Matter If IT's US, AA,DL,NW Or Any One Else..Joe Public DOES NOT NEED To Know... Do YOu THink Any NON Airline Employee On These Boards Will Tell YOu What They Make..Hell.. They Won't Even Tell You What They Do For A Living...But They ALL SEEM To KNOW SOOOOO Much About What We Do And Our Industry!! :huh: :huh:

I couldn't care less what "non airline" people make on this board, or what they think of my pay. Our fight is with the company on this, and maybe it is good for them to see AA /DL pay rates posted on here! Might wake them up and realize there is a disparity that ain't gonna fly! 😀 😱

 

[FWAAA]

Does Not Matter If IT's US, AA,DL,NW Or Any One Else..Joe Public DOES NOT NEED To Know... Do YOu THink Any NON Airline Employee On These Boards Will Tell YOu What They Make..Hell.. They Won't Even Tell You What They Do For A Living...But They ALL SEEM To KNOW SOOOOO Much About What We Do And Our Industry!! :huh: :huh:

Someone needs to go easier on the caffeine. B)

Hourly pay rates are common knowledge. The unions don't even place these numbers behind the password protected part of their websites - they're out in the open. Relax. Nobody knows how much you're paid - but we do know the hourly rates for Flight Attendants at AA.

 

[Travelpro72]

Man oh man are there some weird people in the world. Whewwwwww. 🙄 Hey everyone. I make $##.## an hour.

 

[US1YFARE]

Since When Is MY PAY Public Knowledge? What? Is It Plasted All Over All The Bill Boards? :down:

Uh, by the way, what's your social security number?

I make $##.## an hour.

how much do you make in tips though when you wear your flatfronts?

 

[jimntx]

Since When Is MY PAY Public Knowledge? What? Is It Plasted All Over All The Bill Boards? :down:

I'm guessing from your handle that you are an LCC f/a. YOUR pay is not plastered (note spelling) all over the Bill Boards. Mine are. I don't care. It's all part of public filings anyway.

But, since we don't know your seniority date (unless it's 1988) and we don't know how many hours you fly in a month, at best, we would know what your contractual hourly rate is. We would have no idea what you are paid.

In my case, look at 6 year rate of pay. Now do you know anymore about my take home than you knew before?