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Practice what you preach and ignore me will ya?My World said:That's some old #### D-2004 got anything new?
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Threats cancel union meeting
By D. R. STEWART World Staff Writer
4/15/99
Threats of violence spurred by a dispute between two unions vying for representation of 8,000 American Airlines mechanics prompted the cancellation of an informational meeting Saturday at Owasso High School, union and school officials said.
Owasso School officials said they were forced to cancel the meeting Wednesday after receiving several phone calls from members of the Transport Workers Union of America, Local 514, which represents American Airlines mechanics. Local 514 is based at 11929 E. Pine St.
The high school principal, Rick Dossett, said the informational meeting, which was called by Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, a 40-year-old crafts union based in Minneapolis, aroused "concern" in Owasso among American Airlines employees.
"We let anybody use our facility, and there are a bunch of people at American Airlines who are upset about the AMFA meeting," Dossett said. "I told them they were going to have a meeting, and I was going to make sure the lights were on and the water was running.
"A fella from the (Transport Workers) union hall called about his concern that there would be about 300 people from his organization there, and he was not too sure that they wouldn't be hot."
Dossett said he told the TWU member that any person causing a disturbance at the school would be arrested.
The threat of violence at the school caused Owasso school officials to require AMFA to post a $1 million bond in lieu of potential damages. The bond was posted by the union Tuesday, but Owasso Superintendent Dale Johnson notified AMFA officers Wednesday that he was canceling the meeting, said AMFA National Director O.V. Delle-Femine.
Johnson could not be reached for comment.
"It shows you how frightened they are of little AMFA," Delle-Femine said. "They know the (TWU) members don't want them. Our members have dem onstrated that. It's a dogmatic, centralized dictatorship. All industrial unions are that way. They use strong-arm tactics, like they did to intimidate the (Owasso) school authorities."
TWU President Dennis Burchette said his union is not opposing any union organization effort.
"This is America," Burchette said. "We have a lot of members earning a good living at American Airlines . . . and they have another group wanting to come in with the potential to disrupt their livelihood. If someone was going to come in and disrupt your livelihood, wouldn't you be upset?"
Burchette said he has not made any statements to TWU members about the AMFA meeting. He said there is no way to keep its national membership of 30,000 members harmonious on any subject.
A mechanic at American Airlines who is a member of the TWU but did not wish to be identified said the Owasso meeting was the second in the past month that TWU members have attempted to scuttle. The previous meeting at the Brady Theater on March 27 was held but with low attendance after thousands of flyers were distributed notifying mechanics that the meeting was canceled, he said.
"We still had 200 people there who were interested in what AMFA had to say," the mechanic said. "There are a whole lot of aircraft mechanics who want AMFA to succeed. The TWU is not a very democratic union. A lot of union members feel they don't have much input into what's going on."
AMFA, which has been organizing in Tulsa for the past year, rescheduled the informational meeting for the Radisson Inn Airport, 2201 N. 77th East Ave., from noon to 2:30 p.m. and from 3:30 p.m. to 6 p.m. Saturday, Delle-Femine said.
If 51 percent of TWU members sign cards certifying their interest in AMFA membership, an election will be called by the National Mediation Board to determine union representation.
D. R. Stewart can be reached at 581-8451.
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Crafts union courts mechanics at AA
By D.R.STEWART World Staff Writer
6/19/99
A Minneapolis-based crafts union that seeks to represent 8,000 Transport Workers Union mechanics at American Airlines in Tulsa will hold two informational meetings for airline workers Saturday, union officers said on Friday.
The informational meetings to discuss affiliation with the upstart Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, a 40-year-old crafts union that represents mechanics at Northwest Airlines and Alaska Airlines, will be held at the Sheraton Hotel, 10918 E. 41st St., at 10 a.m. and 2 p.m., officials said.
A spokesman for O.V. Delle- Femine, who is national director of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association and will preside at the two informational meetings, said they are being held because of increased interest in the union following two informational sessions in April.
"This (AMFA) thing has basically swept through our system," the worker said. "The last real battle is in Tulsa, and Tulsa is going to decide the issue."
Out of 14,988 aircraft mechanics in American's system, 8,664 work in Tulsa. Nearly all are members of the TWU, which has represented mechanics at the airline for decades.
The April meetings were held despite vigorous efforts by members of the Transport Workers Union. Union representatives persuaded officials at Owasso High School and the Radisson Inn-Airport to withdraw permission for AMFA use of their facilities after TWU members implied that the meetings could trigger violent confrontations between the two sides.
In April, the informational sessions eventually were held without incident at the Ramada Inn, 8861 E. Skelly Drive. More than 100 American Airlines mechanics, all members of the TWU, attended the AMFA meetings in April.
Delle-Femine said AMFA has been organizing at American bases around the country for the past year. AMFA needs 51 percent of TWU members to sign cards certifying their interest in AMFA membership to call an election by the National Mediation Board. An election would determine union representation.
Dennis Burchette, president of Local 514 of the Transport Workers Union, said TWU members will not picket the AMFA meetings.
"It's an emotional issue and our people don't like it, but we are going to let them have their meeting," Burchette said. "What they have is a small group that is very vocal and very persistent."
A 13-year veteran American mechanic and TWU member who attended the last AMFA informational sessions and plans to attend those Saturday, said interest in AMFA continues to grow among mechanics at American's Maintenance & Engineering Center at Tulsa International Airport. The mechanic asked that his name not be used.
"Interest in AMFA is increasing, but it is very difficult to quantify because (American Airline) behavior rules prohibit a great deal of (individual) flexibility," the American mechanic said. "The TWU says it doesn't care and it won't be there, but I keep hearing rumors that they are going to be there picketing."
By D.R.STEWART World Staff Writer
6/19/99
A Minneapolis-based crafts union that seeks to represent 8,000 Transport Workers Union mechanics at American Airlines in Tulsa will hold two informational meetings for airline workers Saturday, union officers said on Friday.
The informational meetings to discuss affiliation with the upstart Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, a 40-year-old crafts union that represents mechanics at Northwest Airlines and Alaska Airlines, will be held at the Sheraton Hotel, 10918 E. 41st St., at 10 a.m. and 2 p.m., officials said.
A spokesman for O.V. Delle- Femine, who is national director of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association and will preside at the two informational meetings, said they are being held because of increased interest in the union following two informational sessions in April.
"This (AMFA) thing has basically swept through our system," the worker said. "The last real battle is in Tulsa, and Tulsa is going to decide the issue."
Out of 14,988 aircraft mechanics in American's system, 8,664 work in Tulsa. Nearly all are members of the TWU, which has represented mechanics at the airline for decades.
The April meetings were held despite vigorous efforts by members of the Transport Workers Union. Union representatives persuaded officials at Owasso High School and the Radisson Inn-Airport to withdraw permission for AMFA use of their facilities after TWU members implied that the meetings could trigger violent confrontations between the two sides.
In April, the informational sessions eventually were held without incident at the Ramada Inn, 8861 E. Skelly Drive. More than 100 American Airlines mechanics, all members of the TWU, attended the AMFA meetings in April.
Delle-Femine said AMFA has been organizing at American bases around the country for the past year. AMFA needs 51 percent of TWU members to sign cards certifying their interest in AMFA membership to call an election by the National Mediation Board. An election would determine union representation.
Dennis Burchette, president of Local 514 of the Transport Workers Union, said TWU members will not picket the AMFA meetings.
"It's an emotional issue and our people don't like it, but we are going to let them have their meeting," Burchette said. "What they have is a small group that is very vocal and very persistent."
A 13-year veteran American mechanic and TWU member who attended the last AMFA informational sessions and plans to attend those Saturday, said interest in AMFA continues to grow among mechanics at American's Maintenance & Engineering Center at Tulsa International Airport. The mechanic asked that his name not be used.
"Interest in AMFA is increasing, but it is very difficult to quantify because (American Airline) behavior rules prohibit a great deal of (individual) flexibility," the American mechanic said. "The TWU says it doesn't care and it won't be there, but I keep hearing rumors that they are going to be there picketing."
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By D.R.STEWART World Staff Writer
6/19/99
A Minneapolis-based crafts union that seeks to represent 8,000 Transport Workers Union mechanics at American Airlines in Tulsa will hold two informational meetings for airline workers Saturday, union officers said on Friday.
The informational meetings to discuss affiliation with the upstart Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, a 40-year-old crafts union that represents mechanics at Northwest Airlines and Alaska Airlines, will be held at the Sheraton Hotel, 10918 E. 41st St., at 10 a.m. and 2 p.m., officials said.
A spokesman for O.V. Delle- Femine, who is national director of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association and will preside at the two informational meetings, said they are being held because of increased interest in the union following two informational sessions in April.
"This (AMFA) thing has basically swept through our system," the worker said. "The last real battle is in Tulsa, and Tulsa is going to decide the issue."
Out of 14,988 aircraft mechanics in American's system, 8,664 work in Tulsa. Nearly all are members of the TWU, which has represented mechanics at the airline for decades.
The April meetings were held despite vigorous efforts by members of the Transport Workers Union. Union representatives persuaded officials at Owasso High School and the Radisson Inn-Airport to withdraw permission for AMFA use of their facilities after TWU members implied that the meetings could trigger violent confrontations between the two sides.
In April, the informational sessions eventually were held without incident at the Ramada Inn, 8861 E. Skelly Drive. More than 100 American Airlines mechanics, all members of the TWU, attended the AMFA meetings in April.
Delle-Femine said AMFA has been organizing at American bases around the country for the past year. AMFA needs 51 percent of TWU members to sign cards certifying their interest in AMFA membership to call an election by the National Mediation Board. An election would determine union representation.
Dennis Burchette, president of Local 514 of the Transport Workers Union, said TWU members will not picket the AMFA meetings.
"It's an emotional issue and our people don't like it, but we are going to let them have their meeting," Burchette said. "What they have is a small group that is very vocal and very persistent."
A 13-year veteran American mechanic and TWU member who attended the last AMFA informational sessions and plans to attend those Saturday, said interest in AMFA continues to grow among mechanics at American's Maintenance & Engineering Center at Tulsa International Airport. The mechanic asked that his name not be used.
"Interest in AMFA is increasing, but it is very difficult to quantify because (American Airline) behavior rules prohibit a great deal of (individual) flexibility," the American mechanic said. "The TWU says it doesn't care and it won't be there, but I keep hearing rumors that they are going to be there picketing."
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TWU ratifies pact
By DON STEWART
Section: BUSINESS
Edition: FINAL HOME
Page: 6C
Estimated Printed Pages: 3
Article Text:
In a vote that surprised and disappointed its leadership, members of American Airlines' Transport Workers Union have ratified a four-year contract worth $610 million in wages and benefits.
Throughout American's system, affirmative votes were cast by 75.8 percent of the 22,000-member TWU membership, union leaders said.
In Tulsa, where 6,300 union members are employed at American's Maintenance and Engineering Center at Tulsa International Airport, 66 percent of those voting cast ballots favoring ratification, said Ed Wilson, president of Local 514 of the TWU.
American officials said they were pleased with the results of the vote, which was conducted nearly a month ago by the various union locals.
"We are delighted at the outcome of the TWU vote," said Charles Pasciuto, American's vice president, employee relations.
"This contract includes many innovative provisions that will benefit both the company and its employees. This clears the way for us to continue building the airline by giving our customers the finest possible service on the industry's youngest and best maintained fleet.
"It is a real win-win deal."
Wilson, who last month urged union members to reject the proposed contract in favor of a more generous proposal that would pay workers more than $900 million in wages and benefits, said he was surprised at the outcome.
"We made concessions while they (American) are making enormous profits," Wilson said. "I think it (the contract) is a big mistake on the part of both parties.
"We are going to give them $1.5 billion in wage concessions over the next four years. They are going to make so much money they'll make General Motors look like pikers."
The new contract includes union concessions on work rules, wages, benefits and starting wage rates, Wilson said.
However, the contract did not include American's initial proposal whereby employees would begin contributing toward their own health insurance, a key obstacle in early negotiations between the two sides.
That stumbling block was overcome with the company's proposal of "flex benefits," under which the company will allocate to each employee a certain amount of money to be used toward benefits and the worker will be able to select the desired coverage.
The contract also accelerates the advancement of workers along American's 14-step pay scale. Currently, it takes workers 12 years to reach the top of the wage scale; workers sought to advance to the top in five years.
Under a compromise agreement, the two sides agreed that some workers could advance to the top of the scale in 10 years. The new scale will take effect in three years, Wilson said.
Much of the wage increases will go to workers at the top of American's wage scale, TWU officials said.
Today, the industry average pay for senior TWU workers is about $20.50 per hour. American's senior ground workers will be paid $21.50 per hour under the new contract, Wilson said.
American, which is in the midst of an expansion program that calls for the airline to buy up to $2 billion worth of new aircraft per year through the mid-1990s, sought to avoid a strike or wage concessions that would have come at the expense of long-term growth, said American spokesman Al Becker.
"This contract allows us to continue our growth plan and through that we can continue to provide job opportunities and increasing job security.," Becker said.
Wilson said American negotiators told him that the new contract includes wages and benefits for 7,000 workers the company intends to hire during the next four years.
Instead of the new contract offering American TWU workers wages and benefits of more than $600 million, a more accurate figure would be about $390 million, not counting the money for new employees, Wilson said.
"We weren't negotiating for those (new) people. We were negotiating for workers who are already with the company," Wilson said.
As far as the company's assertion that the new contract assures workers job security, Wilson said, "The job security they gave us was for people who would not have been laid off anyway in a growing industry."
1989
TWU ratifies pact
By DON STEWART
Section: BUSINESS
Edition: FINAL HOME
Page: 6C
Estimated Printed Pages: 3
Article Text:
In a vote that surprised and disappointed its leadership, members of American Airlines' Transport Workers Union have ratified a four-year contract worth $610 million in wages and benefits.
Throughout American's system, affirmative votes were cast by 75.8 percent of the 22,000-member TWU membership, union leaders said.
In Tulsa, where 6,300 union members are employed at American's Maintenance and Engineering Center at Tulsa International Airport, 66 percent of those voting cast ballots favoring ratification, said Ed Wilson, president of Local 514 of the TWU.
American officials said they were pleased with the results of the vote, which was conducted nearly a month ago by the various union locals.
"We are delighted at the outcome of the TWU vote," said Charles Pasciuto, American's vice president, employee relations.
"This contract includes many innovative provisions that will benefit both the company and its employees. This clears the way for us to continue building the airline by giving our customers the finest possible service on the industry's youngest and best maintained fleet.
"It is a real win-win deal."
Wilson, who last month urged union members to reject the proposed contract in favor of a more generous proposal that would pay workers more than $900 million in wages and benefits, said he was surprised at the outcome.
"We made concessions while they (American) are making enormous profits," Wilson said. "I think it (the contract) is a big mistake on the part of both parties.
"We are going to give them $1.5 billion in wage concessions over the next four years. They are going to make so much money they'll make General Motors look like pikers."
The new contract includes union concessions on work rules, wages, benefits and starting wage rates, Wilson said.
However, the contract did not include American's initial proposal whereby employees would begin contributing toward their own health insurance, a key obstacle in early negotiations between the two sides.
That stumbling block was overcome with the company's proposal of "flex benefits," under which the company will allocate to each employee a certain amount of money to be used toward benefits and the worker will be able to select the desired coverage.
The contract also accelerates the advancement of workers along American's 14-step pay scale. Currently, it takes workers 12 years to reach the top of the wage scale; workers sought to advance to the top in five years.
Under a compromise agreement, the two sides agreed that some workers could advance to the top of the scale in 10 years. The new scale will take effect in three years, Wilson said.
Much of the wage increases will go to workers at the top of American's wage scale, TWU officials said.
Today, the industry average pay for senior TWU workers is about $20.50 per hour. American's senior ground workers will be paid $21.50 per hour under the new contract, Wilson said.
American, which is in the midst of an expansion program that calls for the airline to buy up to $2 billion worth of new aircraft per year through the mid-1990s, sought to avoid a strike or wage concessions that would have come at the expense of long-term growth, said American spokesman Al Becker.
"This contract allows us to continue our growth plan and through that we can continue to provide job opportunities and increasing job security.," Becker said.
Wilson said American negotiators told him that the new contract includes wages and benefits for 7,000 workers the company intends to hire during the next four years.
Instead of the new contract offering American TWU workers wages and benefits of more than $600 million, a more accurate figure would be about $390 million, not counting the money for new employees, Wilson said.
"We weren't negotiating for those (new) people. We were negotiating for workers who are already with the company," Wilson said.
As far as the company's assertion that the new contract assures workers job security, Wilson said, "The job security they gave us was for people who would not have been laid off anyway in a growing industry."
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American, TWU Tentatively Agree
By Mitch Maurer
Section: NEWS
Edition: FINAL HOME EDITION
Page: N8
Estimated Printed Pages: 2
Article Text:
American Airlines has reached a tentative agreement with its Transport Workers Union which, if approved by union members, would halt pay-scale increases for three years.
American and the TWU have been negotiating since February. TWU members, including about 5,100 Tulsa American mechanics, are expected to vote on the contract next month.
Under the agreement, union members will continue to receive pay increases when they reach new pay scale levels set out in the current contract. That pay scale would increase by 3.5 percent in August 1998 and increase 3 percent in February 2000, under the tentative six-year agreement.
Marion Finley, president of the TWU local 514 representing about 6,000 Tulsa American mechanics, said he cannot talk about the specifics of the contract until he has had a chance to discuss the agreement with the local union members.
"It has some good points," Finley said of the tentative agreement.
Under the proposed contract, American will reclassify some TWU jobs, separating lesser skilled positions from highly skilled positions. The airline would be allowed to pay less for the positions requiring less skill.
The contract, however, guarantees current TWU members the same job and pay scale they now have.
"As it stands, we group a wide range of jobs into one classification with one pay scale," said Al Comeaux, spokesman for American. "This would create lower pay classifications for lower skill tasks."
The contract will also offer an early retirement incentive for TWU members at least 45 years old with at least 15 years of service. The workers meeting those requirements will be able to add five years to their age and service years in order to qualify for higher retirement pay and benefits.
The contract would also allow American to use some part-time TWU workers. The tentative agreement would guarantee full-time status to current TWU workers if they desire to stay full time.
Ed Koziatek, international vice president of the TWU, said the contract will allow American to be more competitive against other airlines while addressing wage, benefits and job security concerns of the TWU members.
The TWU was the last of American's three labor groups with whom it started negotiating. The carrier started negotiating in June 1994 with its pilot's union and has yet to reach an agreement. The airline is also awaiting the outcome of binding arbitration with its flight attendants union after arbitration talks concluded recently.
Tulsa has 5,136 TWU members, second behind the Dallas-Fort Worth area, which has 5,994 TWU workers at American.
Line mechanics at American now start at $13.40 an hour and earn a maximum of $22.25 an hour. That range would increase to about $13.87 to $23.03 an hour in 1998, based on a 3.5 percent increase. That pay range would increase to about $14.29 an hour to $23.72 an hour in 2000, if the contract is approved.
Overhaul mechanics now earn from $13.30 to $22.15 an hour and would earn $13.77 an hour to $22.93 an hour in 1998 and $14.18 to $23.61 an hour in 2000, based on the rate of increase in the proposed contract
Copyright 1995 Tulsa World. World Publishing Co.
Record Number: TUL525517
SOUND FAMILIAR???????
American, TWU Tentatively Agree
By Mitch Maurer
Section: NEWS
Edition: FINAL HOME EDITION
Page: N8
Estimated Printed Pages: 2
Article Text:
American Airlines has reached a tentative agreement with its Transport Workers Union which, if approved by union members, would halt pay-scale increases for three years.
American and the TWU have been negotiating since February. TWU members, including about 5,100 Tulsa American mechanics, are expected to vote on the contract next month.
Under the agreement, union members will continue to receive pay increases when they reach new pay scale levels set out in the current contract. That pay scale would increase by 3.5 percent in August 1998 and increase 3 percent in February 2000, under the tentative six-year agreement.
Marion Finley, president of the TWU local 514 representing about 6,000 Tulsa American mechanics, said he cannot talk about the specifics of the contract until he has had a chance to discuss the agreement with the local union members.
"It has some good points," Finley said of the tentative agreement.
Under the proposed contract, American will reclassify some TWU jobs, separating lesser skilled positions from highly skilled positions. The airline would be allowed to pay less for the positions requiring less skill.
The contract, however, guarantees current TWU members the same job and pay scale they now have.
"As it stands, we group a wide range of jobs into one classification with one pay scale," said Al Comeaux, spokesman for American. "This would create lower pay classifications for lower skill tasks."
The contract will also offer an early retirement incentive for TWU members at least 45 years old with at least 15 years of service. The workers meeting those requirements will be able to add five years to their age and service years in order to qualify for higher retirement pay and benefits.
The contract would also allow American to use some part-time TWU workers. The tentative agreement would guarantee full-time status to current TWU workers if they desire to stay full time.
Ed Koziatek, international vice president of the TWU, said the contract will allow American to be more competitive against other airlines while addressing wage, benefits and job security concerns of the TWU members.
The TWU was the last of American's three labor groups with whom it started negotiating. The carrier started negotiating in June 1994 with its pilot's union and has yet to reach an agreement. The airline is also awaiting the outcome of binding arbitration with its flight attendants union after arbitration talks concluded recently.
Tulsa has 5,136 TWU members, second behind the Dallas-Fort Worth area, which has 5,994 TWU workers at American.
Line mechanics at American now start at $13.40 an hour and earn a maximum of $22.25 an hour. That range would increase to about $13.87 to $23.03 an hour in 1998, based on a 3.5 percent increase. That pay range would increase to about $14.29 an hour to $23.72 an hour in 2000, if the contract is approved.
Overhaul mechanics now earn from $13.30 to $22.15 an hour and would earn $13.77 an hour to $22.93 an hour in 1998 and $14.18 to $23.61 an hour in 2000, based on the rate of increase in the proposed contract
Copyright 1995 Tulsa World. World Publishing Co.
Record Number: TUL525517
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mojo,
If you would read a small amount.
You would notice that it is the TWU CONCESSIONS that are out of control, and they have been since long before you ever became a member or officer.
You didn't get enough of that IAM concession platter? So now you climb on board on the TWU Concession Bus to further destroy the profession. What a guy!
If you would read a small amount.
You would notice that it is the TWU CONCESSIONS that are out of control, and they have been since long before you ever became a member or officer.
You didn't get enough of that IAM concession platter? So now you climb on board on the TWU Concession Bus to further destroy the profession. What a guy!
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You support the twu? Then why did you write: "There is no way I can defend the TWU."?mojo13 said:
By the way. Do you feel respected or insulted with the AIP check? Still waiting for how people feel.
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Don't forget about those twu members with sick time and those with out!
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#1. It was a old email and at the time I was as frustrated as everyone else.Ken MacTiernan said:
#2. I wanted to see if I could fish for information because I was still concidered a supporter by some of you.
#3. When I write an email in confidence I expect the person I wrote it to to respect my wish. Mr. Stewart went for months keeping it confidential and then I posted something offensive to him on this site and he retaliated. He is definately not leadership material.
#4. Stewart is on my ignore list so he can rant and rave all he wants.
#5. I was deceitful to your group. So what!
AIP
TWA used to have the same program but they paid $100
Hey, it's an incentive plan to make the company work better. What is wrong with that? At least there not coming back to you and asking for more concessions.
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Don't worry mojo13. As soon as your former IAM leaders give more concessions at U.S.AIR,ARPEY will be demamding more concessions from the TWU!
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so mojo why the change of heart? you state you were once as frustrated as the rest! are you now a twu officer getting two paychecks? is this what changed your mind? or just one of the twu koolaid drunkerd's who fear they may lose their job and is willing to whore his liscense at any cost? oh and the best of all #5.I WAS DECEIFUL TO YOUR GROUP. SO WHAT! spoken like a true twu clone, your sorry ass kind is'nt even welcome into a proffessional organization like A.M.F.A.!mojo13 said:
