Scab of the Week

[Don Smith]

It is interesting that you should say something of this nature Don; what is your name? Why is it that no one here knows you? Why doesn't your name show up in sceptre? Certainly one of the guys here that I work with would know your name if you spent 17 years with NWA....

Thats my name and I spent two years of my life in DTW. Escorted to the parking lot by Chuck Dault on Aug 20th. I haven't resigned yet so who knows why SCEPTRE is giving you fits. Perhaps you don't know how to use it? I doubt that most of the SCABS still can't order a part by themselves. I've always given my real name on these boards because I nothing to hide from, no remorse over leaving nwa. So..lets be up front PTO...name please??

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Thats my name and I spent two years of my life in DTW... ...So..lets be up front PTO...name please??

No fits from SCEPTRE here Don. There are a bunch of Smiths but no Don. Typed a bunch of other names in there and they came up, no reason for yours not to come up. There are some names that Don could be short for but they are not mechanics. Even if you do resign your name still stays in the system and you are listed as such.

 

[Kev3188]

Why not just look on a seniority list from before Aug. '05?

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Lied? How so? By not doing your research for you or give the answer you desire?

Yes Hackman you lied because the stats no longer said what you wanted them to, instead of proving your point of how NWA was operating they went against it. We certainly couldn't post them then now could we. So you sat on them hoping I didn't have them. Much like Ken won't post his AMT requirements list that shows any idiot can become an AMT, then he wonders why it is an unskilled craft.

BTW Hackman the new stats are out, do you care to post them for us? . The gap between NWA and AA is widening slowly but surely. Not bad for a handful of lowlife Scabs with a few months training.

Just ask Ken, you don't have to be a mechanic to keep an airline flying, any scab can do it. Boy that says a lot for a craft that people would like to see become a skilled craft. So what are the requirements to be an AMT again?

 

[robbedagain]

Yes Hackman you lied because the stats no longer said what you wanted them to, instead of proving your point of how NWA was operating they went against it. We certainly couldn't post them then now could we. So you sat on them hoping I didn't have them. Much like Ken won't post his AMT requirements list that shows any idiot can become an AMT, then he wonders why it is an unskilled craft.

BTW Hackman the new stats are out, do you care to post them for us? . The gap between NWA and AA is widening slowly but surely. Not bad for a handful of lowlife Scabs with a few months training.

Just ask Ken, you don't have to be a mechanic to keep an airline flying, any scab can do it. Boy that says a lot for a craft that people would like to see become a skilled craft. So what are the requirements to be an AMT again?

I believe that at least minimum of 2 yrs of aircraft mechanic school is one requirement, joing a union at the major carrier is a possible requirement depending on which carrier you are with. Fixing the plane properly insted of just tape and/or mel the broken item and not pencil whippin the log books are just a few requirement. However, I forgot, we are talking about Dougie's "flawless" scabs here! Well it sure is mighty hard to keep an airline in the air without mechanics. Might as well say, uh, tower, we got a minor problem here. one of our tire blew out on us during the take off run. lost an engine in flight. got a bird strike and bird is stuck in aroung the number two engine.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

I believe that at least minimum of 2 yrs of aircraft mechanic school is one requirement...

Wrong. None is required.

...joing a union at the major carrier is a possible requirement depending on which carrier you are with...

Wrong.

...Fixing the plane properly insted of just tape and/or mel the broken item and not pencil whippin the log books are just a few requirement...

Wrong again.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

IMO, the way to change the AMT/A&P Aviation profession is NOT to start with the government. The change is needed from each and every licensed individual. When there are scabs taking the jobs, that sheds a bad light because just like with a lack of solidarity within a union, there is a lack of solidarity within a profession. It has to come from within yourself.......the pride and integrity is NOT issued with a license. As the old saying goes, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel. And scabs are the bad apple in the barrel.

Nice post Snafu but your opinion is wrong. Scab mechanics is a relatively new addition to the airline industry and we are a very small minority. If a handful of scabs with a few months training can flip the whole industry upside down then it was built on a very weak foundation to begin with. Why is that? Because the laws the government has created does not work in your favor. In this case it is the FAA that you must contend with. They have the power to write the laws in your favor and you have the power to make them do just that. Instead you sit in your little safety pockets you have created around the country cowering behind a weak union hoping for the best. Once laws are written stating that you must have an A&P license to work on US registered aircraft and an end to overseas maintenance then you will see huge changes being made in the profession. Why has this not been done? Here are just a few reasons. Because the FAA and Airlines are laughing at you guys and your sad little unions. You guys run around bickering at the companies the different workgroups and each others unions instead of addressing the real problems. In the mean time you are holed up watching your craft be chiseled away hoping you're not next. It is your unions that are the "bad apples" here not the scabs. Your unions have wasted decades of the crafts time and spent millions if not billions doing it.

 

[Snafu]

Nice post Snafu but your opinion is wrong. Scab mechanics is a relatively new addition to the airline industry and we are a very small minority. If a handful of scabs with a few months training can flip the whole industry upside down then it was built on a very weak foundation to begin with. Why is that? Because the laws the government has created does not work in your favor. In this case it is the FAA that you must contend with. They have the power to write the laws in your favor and you have the power to make them do just that. Instead you sit in your little safety pockets you have created around the country cowering behind a weak union hoping for the best. Once laws are written stating that you must have an A&P license to work on US registered aircraft and an end to overseas maintenance then you will see huge changes being made in the profession. Why has this not been done? Here are just a few reasons. Because the FAA and Airlines are laughing at you guys and your sad little unions. You guys run around bickering at the companies the different workgroups and each others unions instead of addressing the real problems. In the mean time you are holed up watching your craft be chiseled away hoping you're not next. It is your unions that are the "bad apples" here not the scabs. Your unions have wasted decades of the crafts time and spent millions if not billions doing it.

Sorry but it is my opinion and an opinion is just that.....an opinion and it is NEVER wrong.

Scabs are NOT new.

Not in a union, thank you. An at will employee for many years in aviation and have done quite well.

It all boils down to integrity, no matter your job or union affiliation. And I am almost sorry to say, that you, PTO, don't appear to have much integrity.

 

[Don Smith]

I believe that at least minimum of 2 yrs of aircraft mechanic school is one requirement, joing a union at the major carrier is a possible requirement depending on which carrier you are with. Fixing the plane properly insted of just tape and/or mel the broken item and not pencil whippin the log books are just a few requirement. However, I forgot, we are talking about Dougie's "flawless" scabs here!...

Robbedagain you are playing a word game with someone whos only on this site to promote (or maybe try to justify) his position as a SCAB. As A&Ps we know what was required of us to become A&Ps. Just because some crackpot says different doesn't make it so. The training is one thing and the experience is another. Both combine to make for a well rounded A&P. If you're an A&P in general aviation and thats your niche then do your best. If you're with a major then do your best. No jagoff can walk in off the street and be an A&P. Oh sure they can turn a wrench but when it comes time to make the committment of signing their name on the line...well they just can't do it.
I know A&Ps that got their training by way of a school and I know ones that got it by way of experience. Ultimately they had to provide proof of training or experience in order to take the test.
Now enter Steenlands SCABs...These boys come in from taping together their crop-dusters and think they're going to fix the BIG airplanes. They're going from apples to oranges. What happened?? Managers filling out log books, flight attendants showing them where things are, pilots "helping" them troubleshoot and fix write-ups and after all of this the wheels are still falling off. A certain SCAB still doesn't know how to run a jack down. So lets not let ourselves get lost in semantics...A&P/AMT...it all about the training and experience. I'm an A&P by licensure and an AMT by profession.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Sorry but it is my opinion and an opinion is just that.....an opinion and it is NEVER wrong.

Scabs are NOT new.

Not in a union, thank you. An at will employee for many years in aviation and have done quite well.

It all boils down to integrity, no matter your job or union affiliation. And I am almost sorry to say, that you, PTO, don't appear to have much integrity.

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Good Lord Snafu, INTEGRITY ????

How in HEL* could a "BOTTOM FEEDING OPPERTUNIST" even know what that word means ???????

Back in the horrible days of SLAVERY, there were 2 types of servants.
1. Was the poor soul who toiled in the fields, under protest.

The other,

2. Was the "House Servant"("I be GOOD servant MR. Dougie")

Take a GOOD guess which "servant" P(OS) T O is !

NH/BB's

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Robbedagain you are playing a word game with someone whos only on this site to promote (or maybe try to justify) his position as a SCAB...A&P/AMT...it all about the training and experience.I'm an A&P by licensure and an AMT by profession.

I am trying to play word games? Now Don that is funny. Your "AMT Profession" is killing the A&P Mechanic that went the extra mile to be just that.

 

[robbedagain]

I had orignially wanted to be a mechanic but at the time I couldnt afford to go to the AIRCRAFT MECHANIC SCHOOL PTO which at least by US AIR's standard is a 2 yr aircraft mechanic school to learn everything about the plane, but the costs attending was something I couldnt afford due to making monthly car payments. I know that for a real mechanic, they attended school and they joined a union unlike scabs such as yourself

Thak you Don for proving my point clearly. You are most certainly correct about what you said!

 

[Hackman]

Yes Hackman you lied because the stats no longer said what you wanted them to, instead of proving your point of how NWA was operating they went against it.


Keep calling me a liar 'Cods, its sickenly funny in a twisted PlaytheCods kinda way, and coming from a loser scab who's life is nothing but lies no less. I surmise when (notice I said "when") you get to divorce court you'll expect her attorney to disclose any and all sordid details to you or you'll have a fit in the men's room aka Jim Carey style in Liar-Liar, "I'm kickin' my *ss!" :blink:

Comparing your Scab Air shell of an airline to AA is like hoping to win a dog fight in a Cessna 150 against an F/A 18 Super Hornet. Its not even a contest. AA has more flights out of DFW per day then the whole Scab Air operation has worldwide. Then add on the fact that your piss-ant airline has had some serious "flaws" recently with stranding passengers, blowing main tires 4 at a time, and smashing into each other at the airport. I really don't think you should be bragging about how good Scab Air is. However, you go right ahead with your delusions of grandure 'Cods, I heard the same tripe from some EAL scabs back in the day before they went T.U. (Tango Uniform)

Oh and 'Cods BTW, scabs are not new by any stretch boy wonder, they just have a very short life span in the real world. h34r: "Scab mechanics is a relatively new addition to the airline industry"

 

[PlayTheOdds]

The absolute denial here is so so sad. Even Ken has run out of options to defend his AMT Title. Then there is Robbed displaying his ignorance of the situation, which there is nothing wrong with that, the really sad part is you guys will not correct him. He honestly believes that an AMT and an A&P Mechanic is one and the same. HELLO PEOPLE, if an AMT uses the title AMT that is fine, I do not have a problem with that as long as it is understood that the A&P comes first. Other than that exception the AMT title uses the A&P Mechanic as a crutch. Just like Don said when it comes down to it, it is the A&P Certificate holder that signs the dotted line while the AMT sits back and watches. The aviation industry is loaded with AMT's that do not hold A&P Certificates. These uncertified AMT's is what is keeping this craft from moving forward. In the third shop facilities AMT's out number the A&P's at least five to one, I would be willing to bet that the ratio goes as high as eight to one. These facilities will hire people right off the street. What are their requirements a GED, must pass drug screen and be able to get a Airport security clearance. Once they have done that they get to join the ranks of the AMT's. That’s not even the best part. If you happen to work in a shop that rebuilds parts for aircraft, lets say a shop happens to rebuild pneumatic equipment and lands a contract for rebuilding pneumatic starters, valves and motors, well the guy that rebuilds the starters, valves and motors is an AMT!!! :down: Never even set foot on an aircraft and probably never will but he's an AMT. This Hackman is why I say the craft is an unskilled craft. Until this changes it will remain that way. If you guys are really interested in turning this craft around you have to start with the FAA. They have the power to demand that FAA Certified A&P Mechanics only work on US registered aircraft and you guys have the power to demand it from them. You're just too worried about protecting your backyard with your meaningless contracts written by broken and divided unions. Quit trying to make a difference with the companies and start trying to make a difference for the craft.

Don has confused the hell out of Robbed anyone here up to the challenge of correcting that mess?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

If you guys are really interested in turning this craft around you have to start with the FAA. They have the power to demand that FAA Certified A&P Mechanics only work on US registered aircraft and you guys have the power to demand it from them. You're just too worried about protecting your backyard with your meaningless contracts written by broken and divided unions. Quit trying to make a difference with the companies and start trying to make a difference for the craft.

I find it amusing after all of your inane anti-union blather, you call upon those same unions to "DO SOMETHING".

Tell me, just what HAVE YOU DONE to further this craft???