Seahawks Charter diverts to MSP.

[700UW]

They should have used an originating crew from JFK or LGA, I do believe DL has a crew base at one of those airports for the 763.  If you are undergoing a two hour delay, that is plenty of time for a quick call.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, there are no "quick calls" under 117.

Perhaps meto can explain.

yes, DL has a pilot base at NYC that covers all 3 airports.

DL also has regularly scheduled 767 int'l service from EWR in addition to JFK. Plenty of DL pilots originate their trips at EWR.

 

[700UW]

If you are on reserve, you can be quick called, as long as you had the required rest before.

 

[Kev3188]

 

as for the 717, one of the CLE papers said that one airline notified them yesterday that all of their RJ operations would be upgraded to mainline aircraft because of UA's announcement to ddehub CLE.

That would have to be either AA or DL. DL already uses 717 on ATL-CLE, a market which UA is exiting.

...if that's accurate, it'll make CLE another station with just shy of 20 M/L departures/daily & a farmed out ramp. Hurray!

 

[700UW]

US flew three extra flights from EWR-SEA on A321 and had no issues.
 
And the Broncos flew a UA 764 and made it non-stop.

 

[700UW]

no, there are no "quick calls" under 117.
 

Your are wrong once again:
 

 

117.21          Reserve status.
(a)       Unless specifically designated as airport/standby or short-call reserve by the certificate holder, all reserve is considered long-call reserve.
 
(b)       Any reserve that meets the definition of airport/standby reserve must be designated as airport/standby reserve. For airport/standby reserve, all time spent in a reserve status is part of the flightcrew member’s flight duty period.
(c)       For short call reserve,
 
(1)           The reserve availability period may not exceed 14 hours.
(2)           For a flightcrew member who has completed a reserve availability period, no certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept an assignment of a reserve availability period unless the flightcrew member receives the required rest in § 117.25(e).
 
(3)           For an unaugmented operation, the total number of hours a flightcrew member may spend in a flight duty period and a reserve availability period may not exceed the lesser of the maximum applicable flight duty period in Table B of this part plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.
 
(4)           For an augmented operation, the total number of hours a flightcrew member may spend in a flight duty period and a reserve availability period may not exceed the flight duty period in Table C of this part plus 4 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.
 
(d)       For long call reserve, if a certificate holder contacts a flightcrew member to assign him or her to a flight duty period that will begin before and operate into the flightcrew member’s window of circadian low, the flightcrew member must receive a 12 hour notice of report time from the certificate holder.
 
(e)       A certificate holder may shift a reserve flightcrew member’s reserve status from long-call to short-call only if the flightcrew member receives a rest period as provided in § 117.25(e).
 

http://far117understanding.wordpress.com/far-117-flight-and-duty-time-limitations-and-rest-requirements-flightcrew-members/

 

[cltrat]

sounds like another NFL charter that could be up for bid.

 

[WorldTraveler]

how about you let a DL pilot actually explain the way they are interpreting the rules. It is a source of discussion between the company and the union right now.

If you are on reserve, you can be quick called, as long as you had the required rest before.

 

[metopower]

Far's are far's you can site them till the cows come home. Until you can marry them to a pilot contract and scheduling requirements these delay/ cancelations will occur .

Yes they are already looking at changes in 117. It was political public relations .
Like an airline pilot would say. .stress for me is not flying it is when my wife is pissed at me ..now that is stressful .commuting across the country is tiring but a professional will mitigate it in their own way. I commute and I hate it but it is my choice so I make sure that I get my rest. I don't need or want someone that doesn't do my job telling me what is important for me I ( we) can figure that out. ALPA is all about more pilots .They never consulted the line guys about this. We had no real input. Don't be surprised by age 67 before long.
JFK is an international base so their reserve rules are different.

 

[700UW]

how about you let a DL pilot actually explain the way they are interpreting the rules. It is a source of discussion between the company and the union right now.
 

It simply amazing how you cant admit you are wrong, I posted the FAR verbatim, it contains provisions for short calls.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[700UW]

Far's are far's you can site them till the cows come home. Until you can marry them to a pilot contract and scheduling requirements these delay/ cancelations will occur .

Yes they are already looking at changes in 117. It was political public relations .
Like an airline pilot would say. .stress for me is not flying it is when my wife is pissed at me ..now that is stressful .commuting across the country is tiring but a professional will mitigate it in their own way. I commute and I hate it but it is my choice so I make sure that I get my rest. I don't need or want someone that doesn't do my job telling me what is important for me I ( we) can figure that out. ALPA is all about more pilots .They never consulted the line guys about this. We had no real input. Don't be surprised by age 67 before long.
JFK is an international base so their reserve rules are different.

Does DL have a base in JFK and/of LGA for Domestic 767s?
 
Does DL not fly the 767 domestic out of JFK or LGA?
 
I see one on JFK-ATL.
 
And at least six JFK-LAX all on the 763.
 
And another question at US the 757/767 are the same bid, as pilots are qualified on both is that the same at Delta?

 

[metopower]

I guess you just don't get it. It has nothing to do with WHERE the plane flys to under the CONTRACT . JFK is an international base so the rules are international reserve for 767/757 crews. 88,737,320 are domestic base in NYC . Very few airlines fly purely FAR's. Those flights you sited were probably flown by crews that are based not in JFK but on layovers.
Yes ..but there are domestic and international bases.

 

[700UW]

I was asking a question, so the JFK-LAX flights are flown from an International Base and not Domestic?
 
And are the 757/767 same bid like it is at US?
 
I am asking for information, not trying to imply anything else.

 

[metopower]

They very well could be JFK originating crews. We they are flying they are under domestic rules. On reserve they are under international rules until they are IN the domestic system. Only atl has two categories one domestic and the other international . I have no idea how US does things

 

[700UW]

At US the 767 and 757 are one bid, not two separate, how is it done at DL?
 
So on the same trip, the pilots could be flying a 767 on one flight and the next could be a 757 or vice versa.
 
So at DL the JFK-LAX and ATL flight flown by the 763 are covered under Domestic rules and not International?