Soul Searching

[toganoflex]

Nonsense.

The situation was at it's worst the week after Nic came out and you saw none of this.

More excuses.

 

[cactusboy53]

Crew "meetings"? Do you not view your own drunken "leader"?

Your comment about "no proof" is incorrect, as usual.

Look, I understand your confusion in light of the collapse of your base "values". We can give you time to consider your loss, solely due to your greed. Believe me, no one wants your "job", lurching from one made up "crisis" to another, your drunken moron's management's "technique".

Look Skippy, do we really have to debunk your revisionist history every stinkin' DAY? Mr. Parker opined that AWA might end up in bankruptcy, BUT stated that AAA would most assuredly have gone out of business.

You haven't the faintest idea of my "base values", but I assure you the commercial aviation community knows exactly what your base values are & remain.

Keep on with the USAPA delay plan. LCC isn't going to stand for your tactics very much longer.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Look Skippy, do we really have to debunk your revisionist history every stinkin' DAY? Mr. Parker opined that AWA might end up in bankruptcy, BUT stated that AAA would most assuredly have gone out of business.

You haven't the faintest idea of my "base values", but I assure you the commercial aviation community knows exactly what your base values are & remain.

Keep on with the USAPA delay plan. LCC isn't going to stand for your tactics very much longer.

What if:

The actions of both groups causes a situation where no one wants to come to work for US Airways as a pilot?

Jerry Glass pushes to hard and even the west turns against US Management?

Doug gets another DUI?

If AFA ends up going the CHAOS route?

There are a whole lot more "What if's" out there and if they come to pass in certain combinations it could easily spell the end of US Airways. You have 2/3rds of the workforce ready to openly revolt and oddly enough the thing that has kept US afloat is the crap economy as the worker outrage has been tempered by some rather harsh economic realities. Suppose that after the elections Obama Lama Ding Dong is gone and we get some serious relief and the economy starts growing and unemployment comes down. If contracts aren't done by then the east side WILL IMO shut the place down AND feel good about it.

Trust me when I tell you that on the East there would be people lining up to piss on Doug Parker's career grave. So in the end NOBODY cares what LCC will or won't stand for. Customers have alternatives and when the economy improves so will the workforce.

 

[Dog Wonder]

It’s unfortunate to see pilots lose their integrity.

One, in particular, although it is a stretch to imagine any existed there anyway.

 

[cactusboy53]

What if:

The actions of both groups causes a situation where no one wants to come to work for US Airways as a pilot?

Jerry Glass pushes to hard and even the west turns against US Management?

Doug gets another DUI?

If AFA ends up going the CHAOS route?

There are a whole lot more "What if's" out there and if they come to pass in certain combinations it could easily spell the end of US Airways. You have 2/3rds of the workforce ready to openly revolt and oddly enough the thing that has kept US afloat is the crap economy as the worker outrage has been tempered by some rather harsh economic realities. Suppose that after the elections Obama Lama Ding Dong is gone and we get some serious relief and the economy starts growing and unemployment comes down. If contracts aren't done by then the east side WILL IMO shut the place down AND feel good about it.

Trust me when I tell you that on the East there would be people lining up to piss on Doug Parker's career grave. So in the end NOBODY cares what LCC will or won't stand for. Customers have alternatives and when the economy improves so will the workforce.

One short answer: OVER 5000 applicants when window opened recently. Apparently someone wants to work here.

 

[SparrowHawk]

One short answer: OVER 5000 applicants when window opened recently. Apparently someone wants to work here.

Of that 5,000, due to the type of people who are attracted to low wage work, 40% will fail the background check, another 40% will fail to complete training or fail to show for the first day of work, leaving the remaining 20% who are to stupid to realize that they can make more flipping burgers than as an agent, res center worker or ramper. Keep in mind that the folks who I'm talking about are the ones US actually hired out of that pool of 5,000.

If you're talking pilots then it's different. Simple fact is there are to many pilots and to few seats. This singular fact is why it's so hard to gain anything wage wise. Over the next 10 years due to demographics this will change. The demographics is one of the reasons for the war raging between pilot groups at US

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Look Skippy, do we really have to debunk your revisionist history every stinkin' DAY? Mr. Parker opined that AWA might end up in bankruptcy, BUT stated that AAA would most assuredly have gone out of business.

You haven't the faintest idea of my "base values", but I assure you the commercial aviation community knows exactly what your base values are & remain.

Keep on with the USAPA delay plan. LCC isn't going to stand for your tactics very much longer.

OK, sport. or should I call you "slick"?

That is not what your drunk said.

He stated that AAA would have remained in bankruptcy but your highly touted Mesa Grande would have been out of business in 30 days. Not that I should believe anything a drunk says.

As far as "delay", I don't have to do a thing, it just happens all around me. If my push delays a westie flight (or two - loved it), well, sorry. Hey, I try to practice a go-around about once every two weeks. It is good to keep up.

 

[toganoflex]

Hey fuzz nuts, unlike you guys, we get paid block or better.
Delay away. It's more cash in our pocket.

 

[Pi brat]

Hey fuzz nuts, unlike you guys, we get paid block or better.
Delay away. It's more cash in our pocket.

Really? Like cool dude! We don't.

Whatever you do, please don't stop posting and please make sure everyone knows you are genuwino westie!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Really? Like cool dude! We don't.

Whatever you do, please don't stop posting and please make sure everyone knows you are genuwino westie!

Yeah but what if he's really an Eastie pretending to be a Westie???

 

[Pi brat]

Yeah but what if he's really an Eastie pretending to be a Westie???

I floated that idea a few days ago, then it hit me who he was. A westie for sure and even the majority of them are embarrassed by him. And they obviously don't embarrass easily!

 

[toganoflex]

I floated that idea a few days ago, then it hit me who he was. A westie for sure and even the majority of them are embarrassed by him. And they obviously don't embarrass easily!

Yep. Sherlock her figured it out all by himself.

Or did he.

What if I am an eastie? I never considered that.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Of that 5,000, due to the type of people who are attracted to low wage work, 40% will fail the background check, another 40% will fail to complete training or fail to show for the first day of work, leaving the remaining 20% who are to stupid to realize that they can make more flipping burgers than as an agent, res center worker or ramper. Keep in mind that the folks who I'm talking about are the ones US actually hired out of that pool of 5,000.

If you're talking pilots then it's different. Simple fact is there are to many pilots and to few seats. This singular fact is why it's so hard to gain anything wage wise. Over the next 10 years due to demographics this will change. The demographics is one of the reasons for the war raging between pilot groups at US

See, now this is where you show your complete ignorance on the world of airlines. You are amazingly wrong. I recruited in the past for the airlines you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. We used to have 4 group interviews a week for flight attendants, and the applicants paid us $20 to be there, and these were just the few of the hundreds and hundreds of applications we had every week, and back then, the pay was really bad. Same goes for rampers and ticket agents and reservations. You have no clue, airline jobs are a premium, post a job and you are deluged with hundreds of applications a day. Recently, in PHX, they posted for rampers and had several hundred people apply for just a few jobs. Your percentage for the background check is wrong, your percentage for failing to complete training is wrong...you just pulled them out of your ass. And its the same for all the airlines, I regularly met with other management from DL, NW, AS, WN, US and AA, all the same story. It didn't matter what the salary is, it still doesn't, people want to work for airlines, and there will always be a steady flow of people applying for jobs, .....always..... These days, its not even fair to new applicants, there are so many laid off airline employees from other airlines that recruiting is a breeze.

Now, as to pilots, we would open up the window for apps maybe once a year, and we had a $50 processing fee. Several thousands of applications, and all those resumes all done up exactly the same, as Kit Darby taught them to do. All for a handful of jobs, but we could offer pilots a quicker path to Captain, because, unlike US, we made money and expanded.

Sparrow, you love to pretend to be an expert in all things airlines, but you are not, its painfully obvious to anyone who actually works or worked in the industry. Put a disclaimer up next time you start talking out your ass (which is basically every post you make here)

 

[toganoflex]

See, now this is where you show your complete ignorance on the world of airlines. You are amazingly wrong. I recruited in the past for the airlines you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. We used to have 4 group interviews a week for flight attendants, and the applicants paid us $20 to be there, and these were just the few of the hundreds and hundreds of applications we had every week, and back then, the pay was really bad. Same goes for rampers and ticket agents and reservations. You have no clue, airline jobs are a premium, post a job and you are deluged with hundreds of applications a day. Recently, in PHX, they posted for rampers and had several hundred people apply for just a few jobs. Your percentage for the background check is wrong, your percentage for failing to complete training is wrong...you just pulled them out of your ass. And its the same for all the airlines, I regularly met with other management from DL, NW, AS, WN, US and AA, all the same story. It didn't matter what the salary is, it still doesn't, people want to work for airlines, and there will always be a steady flow of people applying for jobs, .....always..... These days, its not even fair to new applicants, there are so many laid off airline employees from other airlines that recruiting is a breeze.

Now, as to pilots, we would open up the window for apps maybe once a year, and we had a $50 processing fee. Several thousands of applications, and all those resumes all done up exactly the same, as Kit Darby taught them to do. All for a handful of jobs, but we could offer pilots a quicker path to Captain, because, unlike US, we made money and expanded.

Sparrow, you love to pretend to be an expert in all things airlines, but you are not, its painfully obvious to anyone who actually works or worked in the industry. Put a disclaimer up next time you start talking out your ass (which is basically every post you make here)

Damn fine post.

 

[SparrowHawk]

See, now this is where you show your complete ignorance on the world of airlines. You are amazingly wrong. I recruited in the past for the airlines you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. We used to have 4 group interviews a week for flight attendants, and the applicants paid us $20 to be there, and these were just the few of the hundreds and hundreds of applications we had every week, and back then, the pay was really bad. Same goes for rampers and ticket agents and reservations. You have no clue, airline jobs are a premium, post a job and you are deluged with hundreds of applications a day. Recently, in PHX, they posted for rampers and had several hundred people apply for just a few jobs. Your percentage for the background check is wrong, your percentage for failing to complete training is wrong...you just pulled them out of your ass. And its the same for all the airlines, I regularly met with other management from DL, NW, AS, WN, US and AA, all the same story. It didn't matter what the salary is, it still doesn't, people want to work for airlines, and there will always be a steady flow of people applying for jobs, .....always..... These days, its not even fair to new applicants, there are so many laid off airline employees from other airlines that recruiting is a breeze.

Now, as to pilots, we would open up the window for apps maybe once a year, and we had a $50 processing fee. Several thousands of applications, and all those resumes all done up exactly the same, as Kit Darby taught them to do. All for a handful of jobs, but we could offer pilots a quicker path to Captain, because, unlike US, we made money and expanded.

Sparrow, you love to pretend to be an expert in all things airlines, but you are not, its painfully obvious to anyone who actually works or worked in the industry. Put a disclaimer up next time you start talking out your ass (which is basically every post you make here)

Well my friend this is what I was told were the numbers by a former PHL Station Manager when they were recruiting for the Ramp and CSR. With the economy being what it is, the percentages might be different.

Truth is you can make more at Wendys then being a new hire agent, What's the start $8.72/hr?? Wendy's in MI pay $9.00/hr and if you work hard you can make $35K as an assistant Mgr after about 3 years.

Operative phrase in your post is "Used to" and I believe you're absolutely truthful. Not now though.