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Back away from the Konservative Kool-Aid! You are at toxic levels. Help is available. :unsure:

BTW, you cleverly overlook the fact that Gore DID win, Shrub-the-lesser was merely crowned by the right-wing activist Supreme Court. :shock:
And yes, either one would be better by a factor of 1000 or even more. :up:
WHO WON?? :lol:
Your boy Albert screwed himself there dude.....

Looks OK to me... :lol:

The Florida election review was developed by the AP, CNN, The New York Times, The Palm Beach Post, The St. Petersburg Times, Tribune Publishing, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post.

Boy, left wingers found Bush won....
 
Just curious, what is your idea of damage?

Well, here is just one example of many:

Updated: 7:28 a.m. CT Jan 6, 2005
WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army Reserve, tapped heavily to provide soldiers for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, is “degenerating into a ‘broken’ forceâ€￾ due to dysfunctional military policies, the Army Reserve’s chief said in a memo made public Wednesday.
“I do not wish to sound alarmist. I do wish to send a clear, distinctive signal of deepening concern,â€￾ Lt. Gen. James Helmly said in a Dec. 20 memo to Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker.

Full Story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6790738

Of course, I suppose that general must be a defeatist, huh?

There is so much more, but I know you like it short and sweet. Look for yourself, the evidence is all around, and not that hard to find. 😉
 
WHO WON?? :lol:
Your boy Albert screwed himself there dude.....

Looks OK to me... :lol:

The Florida election review was developed by the AP, CNN, The New York Times, The Palm Beach Post, The St. Petersburg Times, Tribune Publishing, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post.

Boy, left wingers found Bush won...
Not really...Hmmm Headline says, "Both won" ?

Come on, he wasn't going to get any kind of a recount from that bunch. Also, this article does not take into account the tens of thousands who were illegally purged from the voter rolls, the stench that still surrounds Volusia and other counties' vote counts, Katherine Harris' shenanigans, Republican goon squads physically intimidating and threatening election officials, and on and on.

Anyway, never again...
 
So which son of a legislator didn't use Daddy to keep him out of harms way?Seems thats the way it was back then....Funny, I remember a song about that:
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Bush obviously did. He put his life at risk protecting Alabama fro who knows what. Cheney got 5 deferments (what a hypocritical coward he is). Kerry was the only one out of the 3 who obvious did not use any influence given the fact that he served 1 tour and re-uped for a second.

Not sure what your point was.
 
Cheney got 5 deferments (what a hypocritical coward he is).
Got a question. Could someone tell me where to find the percentage of draft-age men during the Viet Nam war who enlisted or were drafted? There has got to be some official site somewhere. Just curious...........
 
I am not so much concerned with how many did or did not serve. Personally I would have been on the same band wagon as Cheney. I have/had no interest in serving in any of the military branches. The last war that I think was ‘valid’ was WWII but that is a different thread.

My biggest beef with Cheney’s lack of a service record and Bush II’s laughable record was the fact that through Roves ability to say black is white and up is down, he managed to convince a large portion of the US that Bush/Cheney were patriots even though neither fought for the country and that Kerry who served one full tour and re-upped for a second was some how not.

I seem to recall Clintons lack of military service was a huge issue for the republicans when he was up for office against Bush I who was a fly boy who served in combat as I recall. I know politics is a matter of convenience for politicians (do as I say not as I do) but for god sakes, I never knew the american public was that stupid. I had a hunch but never saw proof till then.
 
I am not so much concerned with how many did or did not serve. Personally I would have been on the same band wagon as Cheney. I have/had no interest in serving in any of the military branches.

Just curious did you Register for Selective Service upon reaching your 18th birthday?

My biggest beef with Cheney’s lack of a service record and Bush II’s laughable record was the fact that through Roves ability to say black is white and up is down, he managed to convince a large portion of the US that Bush/Cheney were patriots even though neither fought for the country and that Kerry who served one full tour and re-upped for a second was some how not.

Combat does'nt define a Patriot, and we all know about Kerry's Tokyo Rose Heroics. :lol: http://www.johnfkerrysucks.com/

I seem to recall Clintons lack of military service was a huge issue for the republicans when he was up for office against Bush I who was a fly boy who served in combat as I recall.

Must not have been too huge of an issue, he got elected! :shock:

I know politics is a matter of convenience for politicians (do as I say not as I do) but for god sakes, I never knew the american public was that stupid. I had a hunch but never saw proof till then.

Oh Ive seen plenty proof of stupidity, all one needs to do is look at the Democrat's choice of Leadership. B)
 
I am not so much concerned with how many did or did not serve.
My biggest beef with Cheney’s lack of a service record and Bush II’s laughable record was the fact that through Roves ability to say black is white and up is down, he managed to convince a large portion of the US that Bush/Cheney were patriots even though neither fought for the country and that Kerry who served one full tour and re-upped for a second was some how not.

Little thing you are overlooking:Bush served...Clinton did not in any way,shape or form.Lots served without leaving the states,but they served during the Vietnam War.

Serving in the military and fighting for your country fall under the same definition.You don't have to go in theater to fight...ever hear of support positions that support those in theater?
You are correct,Cheney like Clinton used the deferrment for personal gain.Neither served their country.
 
Hell no I did not register. Like I said I would have been on the bandwagon with Cheney and given the fact that I said I had/have no interest in serving why would I have registered? Having said that, I never questioned those who did/do put their life on the line to do what they believe is right. Bush/Cheney and their swift boat side kicks did question the patriotism of Kerry even though he actually saw combat. Cheney just sat by and got 5 deferments and Bush defended Alabama (more than he got to stay home due to a favor for his daddy. Just my guess though). Kerry fought in Vietnam and he spoke his mind. As far as I recall, that is allowed by the constitution. If you do not agree with what he said, fine. The point I was making is that the patriotism of Kerry was brought into question yet not that of Bush or Cheney. That’s a double standard.

Personally, I could care less of the military background of a nominee but if that is going to be one of the bell weathers that people are judged on, that standard should be applied evenly and I do not feel it was.

It may not have been a factor in the 1996 election but it did seem to be a factor in the 2004 election. Kerry did not respond to the swift boat garbage and unfortunately he and the rest of us paid the price.

Ah yes, the ole’ my sh1t don’t stink routine.

Dell,

The thing is, Clinton never questioned the service record of Bush due to the very fact that Clinton would have looked like an ass in doing so. Yet, in 2004, Cheney (via his swift boat attack dogs) did question the record of a man who did serve while he sat idly by and got 5 deferments. Had Bush received his cushy Alabama by luck of the draw I could perhaps see my way clear to cut him some slack. Given his silver spoon up bringing and his fathers connections I would be hard pressed to believe that he got it the way the rest of ‘regular’ folks got it.
 
Hell no I did not register.

Well at least your honest, however you face a harsh outcome if it is ever brought to light. never fear though you can run to Canada with the rest of the cowards.

Bush/Cheney and their swift boat side kicks did question the patriotism of Kerry even though he actually saw combat.

Tokyo Rose Kerry is hated among his vietnam peers, why do you think that is? 😱


The point I was making is that the patriotism of Kerry was brought into question yet not that of Bush or Cheney. That’s a double standard.

Kerry must have made jane fonda proud with his traitor remarks.

Personally, I could care less of the military background of a nominee but if that is going to be one of the bell weathers that people are judged on, that standard should be applied evenly and I do not feel it was.

How did that affect the Clinton nomination?

It may not have been a factor in the 1996 election but it did seem to be a factor in the 2004 election. Kerry did not respond to the swift boat garbage and unfortunately he and the rest of us paid the price.

Kerry stuck his foot in his mouth, he bad mouthed the very men he served with and the majority spoke, he flip flopped on all the major issues. believe it or not most Americans dont see your cowardly way as a solution. This is why your left wing wackos will be defeated again in 2008.
 
I did a search for Kerry’s testimony. When I read through it I did not see anything that was of a traitorous nature. If you are arguing that that his statements were not factual that is one thing (I have not heard/read anything to support that POV). If he is considered a traitor then any whistle blower would fall into the same category. The way I read his testimony was that he spoke out against actions conducted by military personnel that was in violation of both moral and legal law. Since I am not in the military I might be wrong about this but I was under the impression that part of the military code of conduct was that if you see/hear .. etc something that is not kosher, it is your obligation to report it. I would not doubt that the military does not like to hear that type of thing. Just as they did not want the Tail Hook scandal out in the public eye. The police have the same mentality. The "wall of Blue" I believe is what is called. What Fonda did was something completely different in my opinion but to each his own.

Like I said above, the effect on the 1996 elections apparently were not swayed by Clinton’s lack of service. I believe that the 2004 elections were swayed by the attacks on Kerry by Cheney/Rove attack dogs.

Your predictions for 2008 could very well be true, but given the number of politicians on both sides of the isle who are jumping off the Iraq ship, I would not be so certain. Most of the surveys I have seen seem to indicate that the Rep are in a bit of trouble. Personally, I would like to see all the wackos booted out of office. We finally got rid of the lady who assaulted the DC police officer so that is one less nut we have to deal with in DC. I am sure you have a few on your side of the isle who need to be put out to pasture as well. A few of them have already thrown in the towel since they knew they did not have a chance.
 
Back away from the Konservative Kool-Aid! You are at toxic levels. Help is available. :unsure:

BTW, you cleverly overlook the fact that Gore DID win, Shrub-the-lesser was merely crowned by the right-wing activist Supreme Court. :shock:
And yes, either one would be better by a factor of 1000 or even more. :up:


Bush received MORE votes than Gore in Florida. THAT's an undisputible fact adn THAT'S why he won. The fact it had to go before the Supreme Court is because the Dems and Gore tried to steal the election and circumvent the Electoral College. Gore DID NOT win the vote in Florida and he DID NOT win the election because he DID NOT win the Electoral College vote. It's that simple and yet it's still so hard for the Dems and liberals to understand that. Maybe we need to type slower so you'll understand better.
 
Bush received MORE votes than Gore in Florida. THAT's an undisputible fact adn THAT'S why he won.
According to whom? Catherine Harris, the Republican mercenary secretary of state at the time? There was never an official manual vote count, so we will never know.

As far as I am concerned, the 2000 election was stolen in Florida and the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio, by an African American male clone of Cathrine Harris.
 
According to whom? Catherine Harris, the Republican mercenary secretary of state at the time? There was never an official manual vote count, so we will never know.

As far as I am concerned, the 2000 election was stolen in Florida and the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio, by an African American male clone of Cathrine Harris.
You guys on the left absolutely F***ing kill me.I've never seen such sore losers in all my born days.Lost the house and senate and acted like a bunch of friggin junkies lying on the floor withdrawing from heroin.
Gore was a buffoon and I really cringe when I think of where we'd be now with energy and terror.hells bells,his own state voters threw him to the wolves.
k\Kerry is a king and you and I are peons in his world.He flipped on so mant issues and talked out of the side of his mouth that it was and still is pathetic.
Then theres the Theresa thing.... :lol:
Dem's are imploding now and in the future...your party loses because its made up of socialist losers. 😉
 

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