It is GREAT to hear that ALL of the forced transfers are now going to be let back into MIA. It was exactly 4 years ago that they were sent to STL. I am not sure that I could have lasted that long after being forced to go somewhere I didn't want to go. Congrats!!!
STL Forced Transfers
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lpbrian
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Noboby is "forced".
kirkpatrick
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IORFA, any idea how many are involved in this last exodus? I wonder if the base is being downsized, or if there might actually be a few openings for certain people I know would like to get back in.
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jimntx
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First off, it's only 6. Most of the "forced" transfers have already transferred back or decided that they like SLT better than MIA. When we're all feeling sorry for the forced transfers, see if you get it up a little for those of us who were furloughed for 17 months, and very few of us got to go back to our former base when recalled. The only ones who did were at LGA before furlough, and got/requested LGA upon recall.
IORFA, you didn't have to listen to the constant whining about how unfairly they were treated in the "forced" transfer. They all had it on good authority that there were people junior to them at other bases that were not force transferred--and the company and the APFA colluded to force just MIA f/as to SLT. Oh, and they all knew for a fact that as far as the contract is concerned MIA and IMA are the same base, and they should have been given slots at IMA that came up over the past 3 years instead of having an International proffer awarded by seniority each time.
Mark, as far as you're question, be aware that there are currently 47 people on the transfer list to SLT--31 of those are currently in LGA. All of these people would have to be offered transfers to SLT before any of the latest recalls would be eligible.
And, we appear to be shrinking as a base. The base roster is down to 431 this month from 455 two months ago. The "active" base roster is down to 388 from 412 in that time. We lost 23 more bid positions for June from May. When I was recalled in Nov. 2004, the SLT bid sheet had 120 lines each month--IIRC, 20 75 lines and 100 S80; i.e., 380 bid positions. We have 286 bid positions for June. 23% of the active base is either on reserve or on availability this month.
Talk about whining.
This is also a piece of the Supplemental complaint filed by Cooper in Marcoux v APFA and AA. A complaint was filed way back in May 2003 when the TWAers were still "employed" at STL, that AA/APFA were violating the SIA because according to the SIA as soon as any nAAtive F/A flew a trip out of STL the TWAers were entitled to use their occupational seniority in STL. We shall probably wait another couple of years for a legal reading of this issue.
jimntx
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Your opinion of me is not really any of my business; so, try to keep it to yourself. You also seem to think that I give a cr*p what you think.
BTW, all the flight attendants at SLT are concerned about the reduction in flying for our base. But then, that's not really of any concern to youm, is it? After all, it doesn't affect you; so, it's of no importance whatsoever. It's that attitude--all for one and one for one--that makes the Blessed Order of the Perpetually Trip-Removed (aka, APFA) so totally useless. There are VERY few f/as at AA who care what happens to other f/as.
Whatever. Get off your pedestal and note that while you are talking about other people whining you were doing the same thing.
You know, Jim, you have it all wrong. I see that you are upset about your base. It is understandable. You, however, don't know anything about me. I do care about what happens to other flight attendants, in addition to caring about what concerns me. Unless you are really, really senior (top 10%) EVERYTHING that happens in other places has an impact on you somehow.
I can commiserate with you right now about base shrinkage. You may not be able to understand my plight, however, because the grass is always greener and you might think that my situation would be preferable to yours because I fly out of a base where your house is.
In a nutshell:
-moved to dallas because it was cheaper than ny.
-Paid to transfer to international.
-Was pushed back to domestic from Oct-Dec because of base shrinkage.(we stopped Osaka)
-had a RIF threat to have 200 of us (def. me) pushed back to domestic permanantly, with 2 year reinstatement rights.
-No RIF but had threat of falloffs over my head until may 1st when we started increased summer schedule.
-hold bad line every month. Have to keep the garbage because trading is not an option. Hardly ever happens.
-make up is non existent if you aren't average of 30 years FA.
-Nobody drops their trips.
-The only base where avbl goes super senior too.
-Open time is usually stale. (do an N4I/IDF) on any given day and you will only see CCS trips because there are violent demonstrations going on right now and nobody wants to go.
-Base is operating at an overage and some reserves finish the month with 37 hours.
-Hiboard is dry.
-RIF looming once again because ZRH stops October 1st and GRU summer additional flight ends in september.
Unlike many other people, my happiness with work correlates with happiness at home. I also actually like working and it is hard to be at a base where the trips are so scarce.
I am going to once again pick up and move before the reduction in force happens for real in the fall.
Where I am going to go is up in the air. I am a nervous wreck right now just thinking about it.
Commuting from here is not an option because I don't know if I really like it all that much to stay here and commute.
So, you see, other bases have similar problems.
I'll trump you...Lost my job and watched f/a's with 2 years seniority be trained as TWALLC f/as, get a month off, paid while waiting for the ethnic cleansing, (while I received no furlough pay) and then complain because they HAD to fly out of STL. And contrary to popular belief, my $99 retirement anuity is just about enough to cover my weekly gas bill. No, we didn't get YOUR retirement.
That being said, those accepting recall are happy to go to any base and look at it as the next great adventure.
Pretty much what I was trying to point out in a VERY roundabout way was that everyone has a bad news story or experience associated with their airline career. The whole idea of this thread was to express a positive note of encouragement to those getting called back and it turned negative pretty quickly. I take some of the blame for it too.
Aw, don't take any blame or accept any role in it, it's much easier and less mature to blame your management, your union, some other labor group within your group such as old bitties that fly all the good trips and should retire or the youngsters poor work ethic. Do not ruin the track record of this website by acting mature. It would not be carrying on in tradition.
Dear Skymess,
Sorry you might be bumped back to DFW, but it's not all bad. I think you will find a lot more flexibility, more trips to pick up, more people willing to trade, more make up trips, etc.
I know it's not Tokyo or London, but the flexibility on domestic is much better.
Sorry you might be bumped back to DFW, but it's not all bad. I think you will find a lot more flexibility, more trips to pick up, more people willing to trade, more make up trips, etc.
I know it's not Tokyo or London, but the flexibility on domestic is much better.
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As a NON-f/a, I ask this question honestly/respectfully.
...(I realize that "there is NO place like home")...
That said,
would being based in LGA, afford very junior f/a's the oppertunity to make the most $$$$, compared to the other AA base's(Using the legal maneuvering things that your able to do) ???
NH/BB's
...(I realize that "there is NO place like home")...
That said,
would being based in LGA, afford very junior f/a's the oppertunity to make the most $$$$, compared to the other AA base's(Using the legal maneuvering things that your able to do) ???
NH/BB's
Depends on the bid sheet and how the flights are sequenced. It is going to take a lot of flying to offset having to commute to LGA. The positive note for some recalled is the fact that they are at top pay. It is strangely "funny" to listen to 60 year old women, with 35 to 40 years of experience, talk about sharing "crash pads" and being on reserve. (And sounding positively giddy over the adventure) It just proves that jet fumes get into your blood (or kill brain cells..lol) and no matter how others perceive the job, it still beats working for a living.
At five I ran away from my aunt and uncle while on a "field trip" to National to watch the planes take off. They eventually found me in the American Airlines crew lounge. And that was 55 years ago. Talking about coming full circle. I am still mesmerized by planes taking off and landing. ( just like that little kid) I love social work and would have loved to do both but not with AA 's work rules. The trading policies alone help me make my decision. Those coming back REALLY want to be there. I know you all will welcome these men and women as the true professionals they have been for many years. If you have a chance, listen to the stories of their flying history. You WILL be entertained.
