Strike vote

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Even if the pilots decide to go kamikaze, the President will step in even if the court doesn't rule a strike illegal. The White House isn't afraid of dragging things in order to prevent damage to the economy.

Oh, and let's not forget how many employees UA and US have laid off in the past five years. To say they are hiring now (at entry level wages) rings pretty hollow to the tens of thousands of employees that were laid off at much higher pay rates.

Wrong. This president will never step in over any strike. He stated that he would let the competition prevail very early in his term.

As for the flight attendants, every single flight attendant that was furloughed is back at their current payscale. These are an additional 2000 flight attendants they are hiring.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your rants.

 

[luv2fly]

You have not told me the nature of the case that was put up for arbitration. DL can't make a case that individual pilots are colluding to increase sick time which is why I presume that they asserted that ALPA coordinated it - which I could believe could not be substantiated.

The problem is the INCREASE in the amount of sick time among DL pilots. Because DL cannot prove who is instigating it doesn't mean there isn't a problem. And you haven't addressed that.

Ahh, but DL did just that. DL asserted their case against individuals. In fact, it issued letters of reliability to be placed in employee permanent files. All of these letters were removed as ordered by the arbitrator. It was documented that when many idividuals were called in, the company expressed no interest in obtaining medical excuses.
In other words, we will reprimand you even if you have a valid medical reason. That conflicts with FAR's and the company will lose that argument every time.
There are rational reasons for sick time to increase. Since Delta is now flying with approximately 30% less pilots than it used to, annual block hours have increased. Lines of time have increased from 70 hours or so, to 80-90 hour range. Reserve staffing levels have fallen to critically low ranges. Trip coverage becomes a problem when on any given day just one category will be anywhere from 15 to 40 reserve pilots short. As a matter of fact, the company's own estimates show the projected staffing to be around three hundred pilots short.
DL is solely responsible for this understaffing. If DL wants to find out who is "instigating" this, perhaps they should take a good look in the mirror instead of scapegoating employee groups.

 

[luv2fly]

luv,

As I have said, you and the other DL pilots who are calling in sick at excessive rates (relative to your peers at other airlines and historical levels at DL) are only putting the noose around your own necks.

Me? Now you are accusing me as well?
Once again your accusations are baseless, as are DL's if they truly are asserting what you claim. If our inept management team spent half as much time trying to find a way to increase revenue as it does chasing ghosts we would be the darling of the industry. For now we remain the joke. :down:

 

[WNrforlife]

For now we remain the joke. :down:

Yeah, and pilots doing the robot walk in circles holding signs while your company is going down in flames just magnifies that perception......

 

[luv2fly]

Yeah, and pilots doing the robot walk in circles holding signs while your company is going down in flames just magnifies that perception......

Well, we are just trying to emulate you WNrforlife. Now run along and find a dictionary to figure out what I just said. You can find it under "E". It comes after "D". Let us know if you need anymore help.

 

[QA4Jet-A]

Well, we are just trying to emulate you WNrforlife. Now run along and find a dictionary to figure out what I just said. You can find it under "E". It comes after "D". Let us know if you need anymore help.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo luv

A quote by WN cost, 20 seconds on the internet...

A quote of something meaningful??? May cost $10

His usual posts.... Priceless....

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[WorldTraveler]

Wrong. This president will never step in over any strike. He stated that he would let the competition prevail very early in his term.

Someone pull the transcripts back when AA's employees went on strike.



Don't worry, Luv, it's a collective you. I don't know the specific circumstances of the arbitration decision so thank you for letting me know. The point remains that DL is in a position to dictate the sick time allowances for its employees. I am very certain that this sick time issues will diminish markedly as part of the contract that ALPA will have no choice but to agree to. In reality, a reasonable sick time polciy will be a pretty small price to agree to to fend off some of DL's much pricier attempts to cut pilot wages.

The point remains that DL will develop wage scales commensurate with the cost of the benefits the pilots are allowed. If the pilots want to call in sick at levels in excess of what DL wants to see, then wages will come down to compensate for it. I would surely rather show up for work at industry competitve rates and keep a percentage or two more of my pay.