Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[Pi brat]

I think you means sarcasm...or perhaps you don't understand the difference.

Actually a decent dog reads people pretty well. Conversation? Ya just gotta understand their language.

Jim

Ok professor, we will go with sarcasm, but either way, it seems lost on you. And I'm the one that knows everything?

I can actually see YOU sitting down and having a long discussion with a dog over DOH vs. Relative position. Poor dog.

 

[767one]

The only thing you subsidize is our profit sharing checks. Your low wages help the company's bottom line which on turn increases profits and puts more cash into the pool.

So thanks for staying on LOA93.

As for everything else, we negotiated or paid for that on our own. We tend not to throw money away like you east guys do.

Toga,

Always glad to help.


Bob

 

[Move2CLT]

Toga,

Always glad to help.


Bob

Who is this Toga? I don't see his profile when I do a search? Is he witty and smart like me?

 

[usabusdriver]

I think there was a grass roots movement of a certain number of pilots that were already not doing the most they could for the company that decided to use the safety concerns of USAPA to put the screws to the company. I have no idea how big that number of pilots was, but I don't think it was as big as the company said. I've seem too much screwed up in our operation that has nothing to do with pilots that I think the company decided to throw into the "it's pilots fault!" pot.

I have no problem with the company asking us to do our job as we are supposed to, but I believe the injunction request goes too far. The company has all the tools it needs to handle what was going on without running to the courts. They should have used those tools instead of blaming everything on the pilots, and publicly labeling the pilots with an "illegal job action". In doing so, I believe they are ignoring valid safety concerns. Not that anyone, management or pilots, is trying to be unsafe, but the current rift is reducing our safety margin. It's never good to not listen to one another, no matter who's fault the initial problem was. I suggested the company call a time out, acknowledge that our current relationship is not healthy,and reach out to the pilots to try and heal it. They are not interested. They would rather try to beat it into, or out of, us. We'll see how it turns out.

Pi,

I find it interesting to see how attitudes and perceptions change over time. I think your post above is a perfect vehicle for an analogy.

A small group of disgruntled west pilots engaged in neffarious activites to express their displeasure. The union responded with a silly RICO suit that exagerated the activites effect.

The union did little to nothing stop the activites which could have been as easy as a phone call to stop. Instead they publicly labled those pilots in a law suit.

The rift further divided our pilot groups, spurred the creation of Leoinidas, and has allowed the company to wipsaw us and walk all over us.

Maybe the company is learning from the union?

You ponder if the company treated the pilots in a different manner how improved things would be. Imagine if the union handled the west pilots differently and tried to "heal" our differences, would we be in the same situation we find ourselves in now?

Just sayin.

 

[Pi brat]

Pi,

I find it interesting to see how attitudes and perceptions change over time. I think your post above is a perfect vehicle for an analogy.

A small group of disgruntled west pilots engaged in neffarious activites to express their displeasure. The union responded with a silly RICO suit that exagerated the activites effect.

The union did little to nothing stop the activites which could have been as easy as a phone call to stop. Instead they publicly labled those pilots in a law suit.

The rift further divided our pilot groups, spurred the creation of Leoinidas, and has allowed the company to wipsaw us and walk all over us.

Maybe the company is learning from the union?

You ponder if the company treated the pilots in a different manner how improved things would be. Imagine if the union handled the west pilots differently and tried to "heal" our differences, would we be in the same situation we find ourselves in now?

Just sayin.

If you've read my other posts I've pretty much said the same thing. Do you support those type of activities, or just if it's the company against eastiest? Just asking.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

The only thing you subsidize is our profit sharing checks. Your low wages help the company's bottom line which in turn increases profits and puts more cash into the pool.

Actually, the east gave the west clowns at least 22% (about 44% of the west flying at the time) of the east flying, preventing some 600 west pilots from being furloughed.

The east continues to interject the vast majority of cash flow into the US franchise, basically subsidizing the west, not because of LOA 93, the pay is not that different, but because the east is in comparatively lucrative city pairs, especially compared to the sub-marginal city pairs "enjoyed" by the west.

Enjoy your "relative" prosperity. Hope you have saved up for a six month hiatus, or so. It may get pretty ugly, soon.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Pi,

I find it interesting to see how attitudes and perceptions change over time. I think your post above is a perfect vehicle for an analogy.

A small group of disgruntled west pilots engaged in neffarious activites to express their displeasure. The union responded with a silly RICO suit that exagerated the activites effect.

The union did little to nothing stop the activites which could have been as easy as a phone call to stop. Instead they publicly labled those pilots in a law suit.
The rift further divided our pilot groups, spurred the creation of Leoinidas, and has allowed the company to wipsaw us and walk all over us.

Maybe the company is learning from the union?

You ponder if the company treated the pilots in a different manner how improved things would be. Imagine if the union handled the west pilots differently and tried to "heal" our differences, would we be in the same situation we find ourselves in now?

Just sayin.

Many of those named only posted on a web board. Now they are forever enshrined, thanks to google, as a member of a 'small number of pilots who engaged in nefarious activities.' All for garden variety web board smack talk during an emotionally charged time, who usapa ferreted out with the help of a mole. It was well beyond silly, there is no eartly excuse for what usapa did to some people.

People who did NOTHING to anybody, were named in that disgusting suit. I appreciate where you are coming from with this post, I don't mean to jump on your case in any way, just trying to point out that people who literally did nothing to anyone or anything were unfairly smeared in that sordid affair.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

It was well beyond silly, there is no eartly excuse for what usapa did to some people.

My neighbor, who sometimes "resides" on the 9th, begs to differ with you. Actually, he is looking forward to ruling on that very issue. Good luck.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

My neighbor, who sometimes "resides" on the 9th, begs to differ with you. Actually, he is looking forward to ruling on that very issue. Good luck.

Those web posts were thrown out by Judge Reidinger before he went back for deliberations and came back with his dismissal with predjudice. A dismissal that the 4th circuit judges, former prosecutors, unanimously upheld. How is your 9th circuit friend going to do anything about that?

 

[BoeingBoy]

clubbies just engaging in some web board smack talk. Maybe a RICO suit is in order....

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Those web posts were thrown out by Judge Reidinger before he went back for deliberations and came back with his dismissal with predjudice. A dismissal that the 4th circuit judges, former prosecutors, unanimously upheld. How is your 9th circuit friend going to do anything about that?

Maybe I'm confused, but I took USA post to support the c18, and seal was talking about addington while you are talking about Rico? Kind of a 3 way misunderstanding or us it me?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Maybe I'm confused, but I took USA post to support the c18, and seal was talking about addington while you are talking about Rico? Kind of a 3 way misunderstanding or us it me?

I think USA was supporting the c18, but the way he phrased it seemed to subtly imply that those named had been doing something that usapa could have stopped by lesser means than a rico suit. I was only trying to clarify that many of those people only posted on a web board. There was no reason or need whatsoever to stop them in the first place. In other words, stop them from what?

I should have just left it alone, instead of quibling about minor stuff. Especially since it was a good post from someone with the right idea. I'm just a little sensitive about that Rico stuff, I know some of those people.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I was only trying to clarify that many of those people only posted on a web board. There was no reason or need whatsoever to stop them in the first place. In other words, stop them from what?

Which is what clubbie was responding to - lynyrds post about the C18. So either clubbie is more confused than anyone and pulled the Addington comment out of thin air or somehow thinks his invisible friend on the 9th Circuit Appeals Court is going to reverse the ruling of the 4th Circuit Appeals Court.

Jim

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Which is what clubbie was responding to - lynyrds post about the C18. So either clubbie is more confused than anyone and pulled the Addington comment out of thin air or somehow thinks his invisible friend on the 9th Circuit Appeals Court is going to reverse the ruling of the 4th Circuit Appeals Court.

Well, I would never accuse a retiree about being confused.<grin> The judge I referenced would love to see the evidence on the C18, among other issues.

Why, exactly, are you here, anyway? Getting any of that ALPA budget to post?

 

[cleardirect]

Well, I would never accuse a retiree about being confused.<grin> The judge I referenced would love to see the evidence on the C18, among other issues.

Why, exactly, are you here, anyway? Getting any of that ALPA budget to post?

Please show him the complaint. I would love to hear his take on the dumbassery of filing a RICO case 2 months into usapa's existence over web posts and phone calls.