Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[luvn737s]

I will leave that to you and Move2CLT.

I'm not grasping at anything. Every pilot with a brain should be concerned about this. Fight your fight, but remove the Nic from everything else. Simple really.

The seniority issue cannot be ignored. Face up to the obligations inherent in binding arbitration and quit trying to slime up and slip away.

Credibility - There is no substitute!

 

[Res Judicata]

The seniority issue cannot be ignored. Face up to the obligations inherent in binding arbitration and quit trying to slime up and slip away.

Credibility - There is no substitute!

Exactly! They want to ignore the seniority mess they created when they think its to their benefit. Sorry. Nothing subordinates the nic. Fight. Nothing. Forget it.

 

[crazystnic]

The seniority issue cannot be ignored. Face up to the obligations inherent in binding arbitration and quit trying to slime up and slip away.

Credibility - There is no substitute!

yeah good luck,,,
then stop your bitching... time will tell.

 

[john john]

Once again you compare apples to oranges, the CBA was abrogated, that is how the were changed, it took a bankruptcy court to change it, not negotiated away.

But I have told you this time after time after time, and yet you keep posting incorrectly.

No more overhaul, but they do contract line mtc.

And 50% of all mtc must be done inhouse.

And what happen to the old attendance language that the arbitrator awarded that allow employees to call off without discipline. And what happen to the 401k-company match that the arbitration awarded to IAM
And why doesn’t IAM get all airbus heavy maintenance overhaul, like the arbitrator awarded and why is 50% of all mtc benign done in-house.
All negotiated and bargain to the present language

 

[Pi brat]

Exactly! They want to ignore the seniority mess they created when they think its to their benefit. Sorry. Nothing subordinates the nic. Fight. Nothing. Forget it.

There you have it from both sides of the west. NOTHING comes before the Nic, nothing. Jihad until the end.

Integrity indeed.

 

[Move2CLT]

The seniority issue cannot be ignored. Face up to the obligations inherent in binding arbitration and quit trying to slime up and slip away.

Credibility - There is no substitute!

Bravo!! Spot on!!!

 

[700UW]

And what happen to the old attendance language that the arbitrator awarded that allow employees to call off without discipline. And what happen to the 401k-company match that the arbitration awarded to IAM
And why doesn’t IAM get all airbus heavy maintenance overhaul, like the arbitrator awarded and why is 50% of all mtc benign done in-house.
All negotiated and bargain to the present language

The Contract was abrogated, how many times do I have to tell you that?

All Airbus A320 family aircraft are overhauled in PIT, none of it is outsourced.

The arbiter did not award anything in regard to 50%, once again you have no idea of what your talking about.

We won the airbus arbitration, the CBA was A B R O G A T E D, do you not understand what that means?

The IAM Negotiated bringing more work back inhouse after the merger.

Once again you have no idea of what you post, why dont you get it?

Read This and learn

 

[Black Swan]

He's actually not playing dumb. I am serious.

How can you be that serious seeing the average you post is 27.2 times per day. Every day.

 

[Black Swan]

Exactly! They want to ignore the seniority mess they created when they think its to their benefit. Sorry. Nothing subordinates the nic. Fight. Nothing. Forget it.

OK.................





The judge ordered that USAPA must negotiate to implement the Nicolau Award unchanged into a combined collective bargaining agreement. It also ordered that USAPA could not negotiate separate agreements for the pilot groups. A later hearing on monetary damages, if any, will be held.

This decision is wrong, contradicts established law and is dangerous to the state of the law under the Railway Labor Act.

While the judge correctly concluded that USAPA is the successor to ALPA’s collective bargaining agreement, that in no way restricts USAPA from negotiating any and all terms of that agreement, including the Nicolau Award. The judge nowhere considers precedent, such as Association of Flight Attendants v. United Airlines and Association of Flight Attendants v. US Airways, which hold that a predecessor union’s collective bargaining agreement provides only the beginning point for a successor union’s negotiations and the successor is free to negotiate changes to the agreement. To do otherwise would perpetuate the rejected union as representative.

The court also wrongly held that USAPA is bound by the Nicolau Award as the product of ALPA Merger Policy. ALPA Merger Policy is only an internal union procedure. It is not part of the collective bargaining agreement with US Airways (even if it was, USAPA could still negotiate changes to it.) USAPA cannot be bound to ALPA Merger Policy since it is not ALPA, and only ALPA’s subordinate bodies, the Master Executive Councils (which, admittedly, are not real labor organizations) are bound to follow the Merger Policy. The Merger Policy has no standing under the Railway Labor Act and since USAPA’s successor obligations only exist under the RLA, they cannot include ALPA Merger Policy.

 

[Res Judicata]

OK.................





The judge ordered that USAPA must negotiate to implement the Nicolau Award unchanged into a combined collective bargaining agreement. It also ordered that USAPA could not negotiate separate agreements for the pilot groups. A later hearing on monetary damages, if any, will be held.

This decision is wrong, contradicts established law and is dangerous to the state of the law under the Railway Labor Act.

While the judge correctly concluded that USAPA is the successor to ALPA’s collective bargaining agreement, that in no way restricts USAPA from negotiating any and all terms of that agreement, including the Nicolau Award. The judge nowhere considers precedent, such as Association of Flight Attendants v. United Airlines and Association of Flight Attendants v. US Airways, which hold that a predecessor union’s collective bargaining agreement provides only the beginning point for a successor union’s negotiations and the successor is free to negotiate changes to the agreement. To do otherwise would perpetuate the rejected union as representative.

The court also wrongly held that USAPA is bound by the Nicolau Award as the product of ALPA Merger Policy. ALPA Merger Policy is only an internal union procedure. It is not part of the collective bargaining agreement with US Airways (even if it was, USAPA could still negotiate changes to it.) USAPA cannot be bound to ALPA Merger Policy since it is not ALPA, and only ALPA’s subordinate bodies, the Master Executive Councils (which, admittedly, are not real labor organizations) are bound to follow the Merger Policy. The Merger Policy has no standing under the Railway Labor Act and since USAPA’s successor obligations only exist under the RLA, they cannot include ALPA Merger Policy.

DOH = DFR You'll understand someday.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Air South, Vanguard, Challenge Air Cargo and America West were all overhauled in the CLT MTC hangar, we had a dedicated third party bay and three shift work crew. Also I forgot the name of the airline, it was based in GSO or INT, Eastway or something like that, they had white and yellow planes.

50% of all overhaul must be done inhouse and this is audited by the IAM and the company.

And now it US just does contract line mtc at various stations.

And since you didnt work in the maintenance hangar you wouldnt know about the third party work we did with Rakesh blessing.

Also did component overhaul for other airlines in the shops in CLT and the landing gear and plating shops in INT.

We worked on 737s and 757s.

We had all of Valujet's overhaul set up to be done after they were allowed to fly again after the crash, but US didnt want the bad publicity of being associated with them.

We had a dedicated sales team of company and IAM members pitching our third party services to other airlines and leasing companies.

Just like the training center use to train pilots for other carriers and individuals.

yada yada yada

More glory days of yore crap.

 

[700UW]

I am so glad that your so mature to post such a great post like above.

Amazed that your a Capt and responsible for passengers' lives, simply amazing.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Really? Then what is USAPA being sued for? Did you read their filing where they asked a judge to have USAPA tell us to not write up maint. items?

You were slowing down, be man enough to admit it.

Don't you get it.

If the mechanics and utility (and stock clerks...we can't forget the backbone of the entire aviation industry) decide to work to rules, it's all perfectly fine.

If pilots work to rules, it's an illegal job action.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The really funny part is where Seigle informs Cleary that those people back then were actually Paul Morell, Lyle Hogg, and Ed Bular...just like today. "oh, i didn't know that"

Except they weren't.

Bular and Hogg were NEVER safety department. Morell was in the training department until he turned 60 and they had to find something else for him to screw up.

 

[Move2CLT]

How can you be that serious seeing the average you post is 27.2 times per day. Every day.

That's what it takes to keep you easties on the straight and narrow.