the IAM is mad at the back door deals at AA!
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You are Hung up on a word.
Lists can be dovetailed by both methods of Doh or Relative seniority.
And if you were in a committee then you should know this AND know the difference between the two.
So has dovetail by relative seniority.
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&tbo=d&q=dovetail+relative+senority&oq=dovetail+relative+senority&gs_l=hp.3..33i21.5517.20511.0.20792.26.21.0.4.4.0.998.6936.0j8j6j2j2j1j2.21.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.H0pnY2l6Skw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&bvm=bv.41524429,d.b2U&fp=bc9af38cc3ecd502&biw=954&bih=588
Kev3188
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...Which is what you should be talking up.
AMFA makes a big deal out of promoting the craft, and bettering the lives of it's membership. You should've been proud to welcome a bunch of fellow AMT's up to your level as equals. Instead, you talking about kicking the ladder out as if it's a selling point.
The IAM will be irrelevant following the merger (at least to AA's mechanics). As of 1/1/13, US says it has 3,514 maintenance and related employees. Even after the early outs, AA has more than twice that number of M&R.
AA mechanics needn't worry about the IAM. What AA's mechanics should be focused on is that unless they quickly vote out the TWU, that worthless union will again pretend to represent them, this time in negotiations for seniority integration and a combined contract. Is that what you guys want?
AA mechanics needn't worry about the IAM. What AA's mechanics should be focused on is that unless they quickly vote out the TWU, that worthless union will again pretend to represent them, this time in negotiations for seniority integration and a combined contract. Is that what you guys want?
The relative seniority method of dovetail is explained on page 9 of this link.
They call it the Ratio method.
It is still a common way to dovetail the lists.
http://www.econ.umn.edu/~singe119/papers/Lee%20Singer%20Seniority%20Integration.pdf
It also creates a perfectly symmetrical list.
They call it the Ratio method.
It is still a common way to dovetail the lists.
http://www.econ.umn.edu/~singe119/papers/Lee%20Singer%20Seniority%20Integration.pdf
It also creates a perfectly symmetrical list.
Ok Kev, we have been down this road before.
And if I must then I will say it again.
Nobody got a ladder kicked out from under them.
Our new AMFA members coming from Airtran have gained huge raises, better benefits and job security by joining us on our contract.
It could have taken them 10 years or never to get these wages and benefits if there was no merger.
They gained everything and voted to trade a mere 4 years on a list to get it.
I welcome them all, including our new hires from AA and elsewhere, and am glad they will be getting our AMFA negotiated pay rates.
I thank them all for agreeing to compromise and reach a deal outside of arbitration.
AMFA did not tell us we had to accept a deal that was not fair to both sides. The AMFA system allowed us to make our own decisions, vote and negotiate for ourselves.
Our agreement raised up both sides.
Ask how the AA guys will feel when after their merger they are still stuck in their TWU negotiated garbage contract instead of at least being given benefits that the other side gets?
I am proud to say that we are glad that our ex-Airtran guys now make a good wage, and we will try to get them more on our next contract.
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If the IAM gets 35% A-Cards of the combined workforce they can force an election, guess you didnt know that.
If the IAM prevails you won't have seniority, it will be just like the TWA FAs and ground workers. Of course, the opinions of the legacy AA workers that rationalized the hardship for the TWA workers with "their airline was bankrupt" will quickly change even though a likely AMR/LCC transaction won't be an asset purchase like AMR/TWA in 2001.
Josh
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Once again your spreading your misinformation.
The law prevents a stapling job.
How many times do you have to be told AA forced all the unions at TWA to give up their LPPs or they wouldnt have bought TWA and it would have gone out of business?
It went to arbitration, APA and APFA stapled the former employees, not the IAM, the TWU's arbitration was a mixed formula.
I have been through three mergers being represented by the IAM and did not lose one day of seniority nor did the other company's employees lose any seniority.
Stop lying all ready.
The law prevents a stapling job.
How many times do you have to be told AA forced all the unions at TWA to give up their LPPs or they wouldnt have bought TWA and it would have gone out of business?
It went to arbitration, APA and APFA stapled the former employees, not the IAM, the TWU's arbitration was a mixed formula.
I have been through three mergers being represented by the IAM and did not lose one day of seniority nor did the other company's employees lose any seniority.
Stop lying all ready.
No, I do know that. But so what? IMO, the IAM would not prevail even if it forced an election.
