The Presidential Debate
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On substance the President was right on. On performance he was a little weak.
Funny, most experts, and people in general, disagree with you. If you'd tried to remain even a little bit open-minded while you watched, you would have actually seen what happened, instead of only what you wanted to see. If Bush was "pathetic" as you suggest, then wouldn't you think the likely voter polls would be tilting quite a bit more than they are?
In my opinion, both candidates did pretty well in the debate, but Kerry took a slight advantage overall simply because nobody expected him to hang in there like he did. I guess you could call it a handicap... but next debate, it'll be on level playing ground.
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In my opinion, both candidates did pretty well in the debate, but Kerry took a slight advantage overall simply because nobody expected him to hang in there like he did. I guess you could call it a handicap... but next debate, it'll be on level playing ground.
This is an absolute joke!!! Bush got crushed, even the idiots on Fox News said so. Is this a republican thing, see things how you want them to be, not how they actually are? Sounds like Bush's Iraq policy.
President John Kerry.....get used to it.
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[/quote]This is an absolute joke!!! Bush got crushed, even the idiots on Fox News said so. Is this a republican thing, see things how you want them to be, not how they actually are? Sounds like Bush's Iraq policy.
President John Kerry.....get used to it.
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USAir757 said:
Perhaps you ought to follow your own sage advice.
While the description of Bush' demeanor in my earlier post mirrors my own observations, the language, in that message, articulating his behavior was borrowed from an Associated Press article.
Those are pretty bold words, especially when most polls are still right down the middle, and more especially coming from a person that says "There are two types of voters voting for 'w' this year: the very rich, and the very stupid." I'm not going to lose any sleep over your inarticulate and unsupported opinions.
Even though Mike McCurry himself was quoted by C-Span as saying "the debate was a really a draw." I'm not suggesting that Bush won the debate, but nonetheless, this didn't change anything.
"The Democrats were more exultant in talking up their man. "I think you'll see a surge in the polls as a result of this," said Florida Sen. Bill Nelson."
I guess it's just like after the DNC... all talk, no glory.
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About the only person in the media I've heard say that Bush came out ahead was Robert Novak. You know Bob, the reporter who was used by the white house to leak the name of Joe Wilson's wife as a CIA operative after Ambassador Wilson came forward with information that Bush/Dick missused information about Iraq trying to obtain nuclear material. But hey, that the modus operandi of this administration: commit treason if neccesary to further their own failed policies.
As far as my earlier quote is concerned, if you actually believe Bush came even close to winning that debate, you've proven it true.
As far as my earlier quote is concerned, if you actually believe Bush came even close to winning that debate, you've proven it true.
USAir757 said:
Interesting
Survey USA has polled over 20,000 people in 14 states and 21 cities to ask who won the first debate. In 11 states and 15 cities Kerry was the clear winner. In 2 states and 6 cities, Bush was the clear winner. Colorado was a tossup. Ominously for Bush, the 2 states that said he won the debate are Texas and Oklahoma, which he has in the bag already, but the states that gave Kerry the win include Oregon (by 19%), Maine (by 18%), Pennsylvania (by 22%), Arkansas (by 12%), and most significantly Florida (by 24%).
American Research Group has now produced more details on its post-debate poll. Not surprisingly, practically all Democrats thought Kerry won and practically all Republicans thought Bush won. But among independents, Kerry won by 19%.
Gallup's lead story today is entitled "Kerry Wins Debate." According to Gallup's poll, 53% of the people interviewed felt Kerry won and 37% felt Bush won.
I can't wait to watch the one on Domestic Policy (cuz Bush doesn't have a domestic policy unless it is to give away all jobs domestically and ship them out)
Is it a concession you're looking for? Bush wasn't the only one grimmacing with the inaccuracies coming out of Kerry's mouth... so congratulations, Kerry won the debate. Feel better? It still doesn't make a bit of difference to the big picture: November 2nd... though perhaps the three or four undecided voters in this country may have been swayed to vote JK.
I'm actually surprised the D's aren't looking forward to 3 days from now when Edwards takes on Cheney. Even I don't want to watch that one. :unsure:
I'm actually surprised the D's aren't looking forward to 3 days from now when Edwards takes on Cheney. Even I don't want to watch that one. :unsure:
Nothing hurts me more than to see our men and women in uniform die at the hands of radical fundamentalists. And I'm also sorry to say that George W Bush cannot protect our soldiers any better than Kerry, Nader, or otherwise. He can, however, I believe, protect our homeland better, and that is why I will vote for him.
If Kerry had a legitimate plan to win the peace in Iraq, then I would vote for him in a heartbeat. But he doesn't, and that was where (if anywhere) he went wrong on this debate. He had no defense for basically telling off the allies we currently have on our side, but yet expecting as president to be Mr. Diplomat and suddenly everyone will change their minds and sling guns on their backs to help us. Also, Kerry didn't defend his comment that he would never go to war "without the permission of the UN." Of course, GWB didn't pressure him on it, so I guess it's our loss. But I think it's collectively our loss when/if Kerry is elected.
I apologize... my addition to the quote is inaccurate. ("Kerry didn't defend his comment that he would never go to war "without the permission of the UN." ) However, this is just another situation where he talks out of both sides of his mouth... regardless of the exact words, it's no secret that Kerry will make sure it's the globally popular thing to do before he does anything in the White House. Glad we could be giving the terrorists a say in how we defend ourselves against them.
Kerry and the UN
"After all, Kerry himself believed that taking out Saddam was defensive. Last January, he said, “Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation.â€
Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
