The Presidential Debate

[KCFlyer]

Fine with me.

You get congress to agree that there will be no more additional spending and then I will be happy to allow them to keep taxes where they are for 2 years so that they can use that money to pay down the debt.

[post="189197"][/post]​

You do realize that the bulk of the deficit is related to this war on terror, don't you? Are you saying that we should sacrifice the security of this country by not increasing any spending?

 

[KCFlyer]

What program have the Rich, as you call them, been able to sign up for so that they get government checks? What is the criteria to be able to sign up? How can I get my check?

Please tell me.

My republican cigar smoking friends want to know?

[post="189230"][/post]​

When Bush took office in 2001, how much was your refund check? How do you think that compares with what Ken Lay, Bernie Ebbers, Dennis Kozlowski and others? For the record....my household income is in the low 6 figures. I got $300.

 

[FredF]

When Bush took office in 2001, how much was your refund check?

[post="189234"][/post]​

Refund Check. That means I overpaid. I got to keep more of MY money. No money was taken from anyone else and given to me. Someone on this board made the claim that wealth had be transfered from the middle class to the rich. I wanted to know what program that was.

To transfer something, you have to take it from one place and put it in another. I wanted to know what program was doing that.

 

[KCFlyer]

Refund Check. That means I overpaid. I got to keep more of MY money. No money was taken from anyone else and given to me. Someone on this board made the claim that wealth had be transfered from the middle class to the rich. I wanted to know what program that was.

To transfer something, you have to take it from one place and put it in another. I wanted to know what program was doing that.

[post="189236"][/post]​

No Fred...I'd like to know how the check you got compared with the check that the other folks got. Mine was $300, and my income level is high enough that several folks who are "deadbeats and lazy asses" would feel like they'd died and gone to heaven. How much did you "overpay" by...$300, or $100,300?

 

[NWA/AMT]

You draw conclusions that fit your own ideas and try to use them to demonize me. You take things completely out of context and then try to pass your own infinate wisdom about it and yet you still have no argument against any of it.

[post="189230"][/post]​

In exactly which context is the term 'liberal socialist democrats' a compliment, Fred?

In some instances you even help to illustrate my point.

As your brand of 'horray for me, I got mine, the heck with the rest of you' politics often helps illustrate my points.

How has this been able to happen. Do you mean to tell me that the government has taken money away from the so called middle class and given it to the weathy. Actually transfered money in that fassion.

It's interesting that you pose questions and demand answers while ignoring questions asked of you, Fred. You've been doing that for months now and we have been letting it pass. This time, however, I must request you respond to my original questions regarding the social programs you claim are not 'the governments problem' before I continue answering your questions, as I have for months.

My republican cigar smoking friends want to know?

Who mentioned anything like that, Fred?

 

[FredF]

Since most of your questions seem to be rhetorical, which one was it you wanted me to answer?

 

[KCFlyer]

Since most of your questions seem to be rhetorical, which one was it you wanted me to answer?

[post="189264"][/post]​

How about just answering my question about how much you got when Bush took office in 2001? I'm just curious to see how cheaply you can be sold on these "good" tax cuts.

 

[FredF]

I got whatever it was per child. Either $300 or maybe $400 per child credit in the form of a check that I later had to delcare on my taxes at the end of the year.

As far as the rest of it goes, I honestly could not say. I did get more of a refund that I had from the year before, but as for the exact amount I am not sure because everything changed from the year before so there was not an honest comparison.

I do know, that what I got back was a refund and not money confiscated from someone else.

Oh, and by the way, any tax cut is a good tax cut.

 

[KCFlyer]

Oh, and by the way, any tax cut is a good tax cut.

[post="189272"][/post]​

Not when you've got a trillion dollar deficit during wartime.

 

[TWAnr]

I do know, that what I got back was a refund and not money confiscated from someone else.

[post="189272"][/post]​

Au contraire, it is money borrowed from your children and grandchildren's future, since they are the ones who will be stuck with the Bush Cheney irresponsible deficit.

 

[USAir757]

Not when you've got a trillion dollar deficit during wartime.

But what about a recession and an economy that needs stimulation? Even the non-partisan Alan Greenspan said that the tax cut most likely averted a major recession/depression. And he of all people is NOT politically motivated. How do you explain that?

 

[KCFlyer]

But what about a recession and an economy that needs stimulation? Even the non-partisan Alan Greenspan said that the tax cut most likely averted a major recession/depression. And he of all people is NOT politically motivated. How do you explain that?

[post="189302"][/post]​

You know, I was reading a column the other day about Jimmy Carter. Sometimes, you gotta hurt to heal. Carter did what had to be done, and of course he was voted out. Reagan reaped the benefits of that nasty medicine.

We ain't out of the woods yet on the depression/recession. A trillion dollar deficit, reduced taxes, reducing what the federal govenment has to work with. The interest that has to be paid to service that debt is over a million dollars a day...and they haven't even touched paying down the principle. They have to fund a war, they have to service the debt...they don't have the money to further fund the war, so they borrow even more until they end up spending several million dollars more EVERY DAY to service the debt. When you add those things together, they far exceed the amount spent on all social service programs combined. But somehow we need even MORE tax cuts. Bush came from a family where he got pretty much whatever he wanted. He never worried about where the money came from. He still doesn't seem to grasp that the money he uses to buy stuff has to come from SOMEWHERE.

 

[USAir757]

We ain't out of the woods yet on the depression/recession.

Perhaps you're right... but I asked you to explain to me why a non-partisan economist (and a very smart one at that) would say that the tax cuts were vital to our position now in terms of not being in a major recession/depression. Don't forget, your boy Billy appointed this guy. He has no underlying reason to side with Dubya on this.......

 

[KCFlyer]

Perhaps you're right... but I asked you to explain to me why a non-partisan economist (and a very smart one at that) would say that the tax cuts were vital to our position now in terms of not being in a major recession/depression. Don't forget, your boy Billy appointed this guy. He has no underlying reason to side with Dubya on this.......

[post="189377"][/post]​

Funny how when Greenspan says tax cuts are good, he's a genius. But do the words "irrational exuberance" ring a bell? What was he then?

 

[USAir757]

Funny how when Greenspan says tax cuts are good, he's a genius. But do the words "irrational exuberance" ring a bell? What was he then?

Probably drunk. But it still doesn't discount what he said.... he is arguably one of the smartest Fed Chairmen to ever hold the office.