Actually I am neither. My partner happens to be a Delta Flight Attendant and I an attorney. As you state "Fair and equitable" can be subjective. In the case of the merger with Western Airlines that was a fair and equitable integration. As stated, by BABABOOY the PanAm's European Network was acquired by Delta, and what happened to former PanAM Flight Attendants that were not hired by Delta...they lost their jobs. Neither Western or PanAm Flight Attendants were given date of hire, nor was either group stapled to the bottom. As you may recall the PanAm Flight Attendants did file suit against Delta regarding this and the Flight Attendants lost. Even more recently in the case of American Airlines acquiring TWA and the Flight Attendants being stapled to the bottom of the seniority list, the courts ruled in favor of the AA Flight Attendants. Delta will not staple anyone to the bottom of the list, it would be integrated similar to their past practices, and this is the best case for a Delta Flight Attendant. In my professional opinion Delta's Flight Attendants will get a better deal regarding seniority from Delta more so than the AFA. Keep some of your seniority and vote in a union after a merger. These days we have to look out for ourelves, no one is truly going to take care of us. Let Delta manage the seniority integration to your benefit and then vote in the union later.
The unions are coming, the unions are coming!
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Considering how close the merger is, I don't think there's any other option for the Delta FA's. And if anything, I would think the FA union from Northwest should be looking at the future in trying to expand their organization, by not totally pissing off the Delta FA group. Would think that group could easily vote them out for another union--or none at all.
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Like I've said before - AFA ONLY has to give Date of Hire to other AFA members - that is what is in the C&Bs, and this will be a merge not an aquisition... DAL will not have a say in integration and if DAL F/As are not union then they will not get DOH in my opinion.
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Actually, you are only partially correct. I was here for the Western merger and their f/a's DID receive date of hire. (Except for a very small number...maybe 300...who were at the top of WAL's seniority list. After that all Western f/a's got date of hire.
I have lived and worked through that merger and the PanAm aquisition. While I agree with you about PanAm and I know the judge sided with Delta. it creates some animosity at work which can be uncomfortable to deal with. However, since we are talking about today's events and a merger (not aquisition), date of hire is the only fair practice and the one to keep the workplace the least volatile for a smooth running operation. I have to say that you and Bababoy sound very self-serving. Secondly, 'fair and equitable' may end up benefitting NWA since it's so subjective, thirdly, the media specualtion is that despite Anderson's assurances and Congressman's blustering, no one knows for sure which airline will be the surviviving entity. And lastly, you are basing your assumption of how Delta handles their own f/a's seniority based on two events...one that took place 21 years ago and the other that took place 17 years ago. It's a whole new mgt team as we all know...
And Baba...don't worry. If a union is voted in, original DELTA f/a's will have a voice at the table. Do you think when we elect officers, that 14,000 DL f/a's will just vote for NW or UA f/a's??
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Who said it was going to be a merger.... for all we know, it might turn to be an acquisition ... or nothing at all.
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You could very well be right. I was really referring to more of an acquisition of assets as with PanAm's Europe routes in 1991.
self serving? There are 14,000 flight attendants at Delta. Someone has
to look out for the best interest of DELTA f/a's.. If that means better than
DOE, so be it. I understand the picture will be much clearer by thur/fri
Lets hope the news will be.....Delta/Northwest. Two airlines run by one company.
Just like big sister KLM/AirFrance.
to look out for the best interest of DELTA f/a's.. If that means better than
DOE, so be it. I understand the picture will be much clearer by thur/fri
Lets hope the news will be.....Delta/Northwest. Two airlines run by one company.
Just like big sister KLM/AirFrance.
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Can someone please enlighten me as to the benefits NW employees or any other airline, recieved over Delta employees during and after BK because of being for the most part unionized ?
Also, with everything up in the air, whos to say if a merger happened that unions wouldn't dissapear toatally from the new companys landscape!
I'm neither really for or against unions. I sincerely believe they had their place in the past , but really, what have they done for you "PERSONALLY" in the past few rocky years.
I'm non-union, yes I took some cuts, just like union employees. Only difference being I wasn't giving money to an in-effective group (union) who said they had my best interest at heart.
So again, please enlighten some of us !
Also, with everything up in the air, whos to say if a merger happened that unions wouldn't dissapear toatally from the new companys landscape!
I'm neither really for or against unions. I sincerely believe they had their place in the past , but really, what have they done for you "PERSONALLY" in the past few rocky years.
I'm non-union, yes I took some cuts, just like union employees. Only difference being I wasn't giving money to an in-effective group (union) who said they had my best interest at heart.
So again, please enlighten some of us !
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Well if you are not well informed on what a union does or does not do, then you should take a UAL or NWA union contract and compare it to to a DAL contract, and there is your answer DAL doesnt have a contract, they have "rules" that can be changed at any time and for any reason, and with a contract you have to negotiate, not be forced to accept a "workrule"...
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To say union are in the past well that's the problem today. Young people don't get it anymore. Todays business are more aggressive than back then. It's about have a voice or a seat on the table. I work for Delta we are not union. Delta never lost a soul or a plane in 9/11 but we the nonunion work force took the first pay cuts. The pilots did take a pay cut only during bankrucy. While all this was going down our CEO and CFO walk alway with 20.3 million dollars. Who do you think got left holding the bag, that's right the nonunion work force. Delta froze our pension, ESOP stocks went away, and our medical went up by 200 percent depending if you had a family. We use to have 55 sick days now we only have 5 and if you use 3 on different days you can get written up. Delta work rules are not definite so if you get in a accident look out cause you have no counsel. You're pretty much on your own. Trust me have a union even if a crapping union its better.
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Believe me ,I don't agree with a lot of the crap that has gone down at Delta, but having a union would probably not have changed any of that ?
Also, as far as I know, employees at other airlines (unionized) have taken major hits !
What did their unions do for them during all of this is what I'm asking !
Did they take paycuts ?...........check
Do they pay more for benefits ?..............check
Did any of them have CEO's take the money and run ?...........check
So, what did the unions do during all of this ?
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As far as F/A's go...Far outnumber is a stretch. DL has about 13,300 NW has 9,000. And over 45% of the DL F/A's support the current AFA campaign. So in that combination I am almost certain that the AFA would be in.
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I have seen the breakdown of concessions, at a recent strategic bargaining summit. This was attended by Leaders of all F/A unions...well not the Teamsters. The DL F/A's took the biggest haircut.
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From DeltaNet - Food for thought . . . . . .
Richard looks ahead to profit sharing, base pay announcements
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January 22, 2008
Richard Anderson confirmed that Delta will announce profit-sharing payouts to employees Wednesday as part of our 2007 earnings report. In his most recent Right from Richard message, he recapped compensation changes since we emerged from bankruptcy and said that the results of a study on base pay increases should be ready for release by the end of the first quarter.
“We had pay increases last July,†Richard said. “We had over $30 million in Shared Rewards payouts; we’re putting a similar Shared Rewards program in place [for this year]; on Valentine’s Day this year we’re going to have a very fulsome profit-sharing payout. And by the end of the first quarter, we’re going to complete our evaluation of base-pay increases for all employees, and operate on a similar timeline that we operated on last year with a July 1 effective date. We’re continuing our commitment to all of you. Our goal is industry-standard [pay], and we’re working hard on a business plan that allows us operating earnings and the cash flow to be able to provide a good place for you to work and a good return for our shareholders.â€
Richard looks ahead to profit sharing, base pay announcements
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January 22, 2008
Richard Anderson confirmed that Delta will announce profit-sharing payouts to employees Wednesday as part of our 2007 earnings report. In his most recent Right from Richard message, he recapped compensation changes since we emerged from bankruptcy and said that the results of a study on base pay increases should be ready for release by the end of the first quarter.
“We had pay increases last July,†Richard said. “We had over $30 million in Shared Rewards payouts; we’re putting a similar Shared Rewards program in place [for this year]; on Valentine’s Day this year we’re going to have a very fulsome profit-sharing payout. And by the end of the first quarter, we’re going to complete our evaluation of base-pay increases for all employees, and operate on a similar timeline that we operated on last year with a July 1 effective date. We’re continuing our commitment to all of you. Our goal is industry-standard [pay], and we’re working hard on a business plan that allows us operating earnings and the cash flow to be able to provide a good place for you to work and a good return for our shareholders.â€
