TLV

[Piedmont1984]

Are we still operating flights into TLV? Has the company or USAPA or AFA put out any information on this? Like maybe where the nearest bomb shelter is located? Or will that info be attached to the hotel sign in sheet - along with helmets?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Are we still operating flights into TLV? Has the company or USAPA or AFA put out any information on this? Like maybe where the nearest bomb shelter is located? Or will that info be attached to the hotel sign in sheet - along with helmets?

Heard that some crew members have already "found" the bomb shelters by necessity, having been evacuated to them more than once on the layover. One crew member reports watching two rockets splash down in the Mediterranean of the beach in front of the hotel. Only three airplanes on the ramp in TLV...guess who is operating one of them?

But....they are "briefed" before they go. (I wonder if they are told that life insurance normally is voided by acts of war?)

And, they are welcome to refuse the trip....along with 1/4 of their monthly paycheck. No harm, no foul. (No pay.)

But management is closely monitoring the situation....from Tempe, of course.

 

[robbedagain]

pax can change without the penalty for a time period in nov due to the war

 

[wings396]

That's about the last place that I would want to go now or any other time. I have heard that its very nice over there, but the everlasting security issues are enough to keep me as far away as possible.

 

[jcw]

so I just checked united and their flights are still operating - so acting like US is the only one running flights and are idiots just becase they are US is normal on this board

 

[700UW]

When I was 16 I spent a summer in Israel when the war was going on with Lebanon, never felt more safe.

 

[jimntx]

Enjoy TLV while you can. If the AA-US merger goes through, the Israeli government may decide that US has inherited the debt that AMR "owes" them. It's why the STL-TLV flight was dropped when TWA was merged into AA.

I may not have this right, but there's something about Israeli labor law that when you close down a business, there is mandatory severance pay for the affected employees. When AA quit flying to Israel at some time in the past (not the STL-TLV termination), they just closed up shop and didn't pay the severance. (What a shock!) So, the Israeli government has a standing lien against any AMR metal that may land in the country. Since Parker has said that the merged airline would be called American, that may be good enough for the Israelis to transfer the lien to the successor airline.

 

[700UW]

I would bet that AA has filed some kind of motion to get rid of the debt and TLV is one of US' most profitable routes, there is talk aof adding a second daily flight next year when more A330-200s come online.

 

[FWAAA]

Enjoy TLV while you can. If the AA-US merger goes through, the Israeli government may decide that US has inherited the debt that AMR "owes" them. It's why the STL-TLV flight was dropped when TWA was merged into AA.

TWA cancelled JFK-TLV in March, 2001 prior to the closing of the asset purchase. I doubt that TWA ever flew to TLV from STL.

I may not have this right, but there's something about Israeli labor law that when you close down a business, there is mandatory severance pay for the affected employees. When AA quit flying to Israel at some time in the past (not the STL-TLV termination), they just closed up shop and didn't pay the severance. (What a shock!) So, the Israeli government has a standing lien against any AMR metal that may land in the country. Since Parker has said that the merged airline would be called American, that may be good enough for the Israelis to transfer the lien to the successor airline.

You were correct when you said that "I may not have this right."

AA never flew to Israel.

When the TWA employees in TLV filed a motion in an Israeli court to freeze the TWA assets in Israel in March, 2001, TWA cancelled the JFK-TLV flight to prevent the court from seizing its 767. At least that's what the Israeli judge said at the time.

In the years since, the former TWA employees in TLV attempted to collect their $14 million in severance from AA in NYC courts, but the courts have dealt the employees multiple losses. US courts have ruled that AA is not liable for the debts of TWA (which is legally correct).

I suspect that if/when AA and US combine, the former employees will make another run at what TWA owed them and the combined airline may just write a check to settle the matter.

Here are a couple of articles from March 2001:

http://www.haaretz.c...st-sneh-1.65166

http://articles.nyda...-gurion-airport

 

[Phoenix]

That's about the last place that I would want to go now or any other time. I have heard that its very nice over there, but the everlasting security issues are enough to keep me as far away as possible.

There is nothing to be afraid of.. they profile.

Unless that is what you are worried about...

 

[700UW]

I went in 1982 with a full scale war going on with the PLO in Lebanon, I felt safe and never had any problems and I spent over three months there.

Been there three times and even went during the stone throwing, never had any security issues.

Felt more safe there than in parts of NYC, lol.

 

[Harry Callahan]

There is nothing to be afraid of.. they profile.

Unless that is what you are worried about...

ROFLMAO.

 

[wings396]

That wouldn't be an issue. My biggest concern would be the actual flying in and out of there on a commercial airliner.

 

[robbedagain]

as far as i know they usually get zigzagg thru israel friendly territory areas or over the med sea thats just from what i have read in the past in a usairways mag when they had the tlv thing in it

 

[nycbusdriver]

as far as i know they usually get zigzagg thru israel friendly territory areas or over the med sea thats just from what i have read in the past in a usairways mag when they had the tlv thing in it

Oh, geez. :blush: