too many whites, men leading military

[xUT]

We have troops in war with an all volunteer military.
It is insane to apply a quota system in this instance.
If, we were in a draft situation, it might be feesable.

If we are going to insist in an equal demographics of our troops, then it should make as much sense to apply equal justice to the killed and wounded. If too many of one ethnic group is killed, we should line up a proportion of ethnicity's equal to their demographics and terminate them.

Just to be equal and fair. :wacko:

Stoopid isn't it?
B) xUT

 

[Ms Tree]

While I am sure a portion of the promotions/leaders earned their rank my merit, I would find it hard to be lieve given the old boys network of the military that abortion of them also got their positions by who they know. Bush Jr did not get the IN NG out of luck.

I also have to question why if there arw 20% blacks in the military that they cannot find 20% of them who are qualified to lead yet they can find a larger proportion of whites to lead. That seems to beg the question of what the standards are for investment.

I do not believe it will occur over night. It has only been about 50 yrs since the armed forces were desegregated and it take time to reverse the process.

 

[delldude]

While I am sure a portion of the promotions/leaders earned their rank my merit, I would find it hard to be lieve given the old boys network of the military that abortion of them also got their positions by who they know. Bush Jr did not get the IN NG out of luck.

I also have to question why if there arw 20% blacks in the military that they cannot find 20% of them who are qualified to lead yet they can find a larger proportion of whites to lead. That seems to beg the question of what the standards are for investment.

I do not believe it will occur over night. It has only been about 50 yrs since the armed forces were desegregated and it take time to reverse the process.

duh.....................Latino compliment?

 

[delldude]

While I am sure a portion of the promotions/leaders earned their rank my merit, I would find it hard to be lieve given the old boys network of the military that abortion of them also got their positions by who they know. Bush Jr did not get the IN NG out of luck.

I also have to question why if there arw 20% blacks in the military that they cannot find 20% of them who are qualified to lead yet they can find a larger proportion of whites to lead. That seems to beg the question of what the standards are for investment.

I do not believe it will occur over night. It has only been about 50 yrs since the armed forces were desegregated and it take time to reverse the process.

Do you try or is it a natural thing?

 

[Ms Tree]

Try what?

 

[southwind]

While I am sure a portion of the promotions/leaders earned their rank my merit, I would find it hard to be lieve given the old boys network of the military that abortion of them also got their positions by who they know. Bush Jr did not get the IN NG out of luck.

I also have to question why if there arw 20% blacks in the military that they cannot find 20% of them who are qualified to lead yet they can find a larger proportion of whites to lead. That seems to beg the question of what the standards are for investment.

I do not believe it will occur over night. It has only been about 50 yrs since the armed forces were desegregated and it take time to reverse the process.

Yes ! I would feel so much more confident in the military if the percentages of race/gender of recruits were equal to the percentages of Generals, i.e. 20% women, we "Must" have 20 female Generals....................screw any other qualifications !

 

[dapoes]

While I am sure a portion of the promotions/leaders earned their rank my merit, I would find it hard to be lieve given the old boys network of the military that abortion of them also got their positions by who they know. Bush Jr did not get the IN NG out of luck.

"Abortion of them"?

 

[Ms Tree]

Yes ! I would feel so much more confident in the military if the percentages of race/gender of recruits were equal to the percentages of Generals, i.e. 20% women, we "Must" have 20 female Generals....................screw any other qualifications !

Is reading comprehension not your strong suit? Second paragraph, twenty fourth word.

Are you trying to imply that white males are proportionally smarter than any other segment of society? When Rasmussen takes a poll, they contact perhaps 1000 people. The polls are typically accurate with in a few percentage point to the rest of the nation. I do not understand why the military should be an exception to statically norms. If 20% of the force is female, there is no reason that I can see that 20% of those women should not be able of leading. Unless of course you think that white males are more capable of leading than women or minorities.

 

[dapoes]

Is reading comprehension not your strong suit? Second paragraph, twenty fourth word.

Are you trying to imply that white males are proportionally smarter than any other segment of society? When Rasmussen takes a poll, they contact perhaps 1000 people. The polls are typically accurate with in a few percentage point to the rest of the nation. I do not understand why the military should be an exception to statically norms. If 20% of the force is female, there is no reason that I can see that 20% of those women should not be able of leading. Unless of course you think that white males are more capable of leading than women or minorities.

You must mean liberal progressive comprehension. And no the majority of America doesn't agree with you and your ilk.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Is reading comprehension not your strong suit? Second paragraph, twenty fourth word.

Are you trying to imply that white males are proportionally smarter than any other segment of society? When Rasmussen takes a poll, they contact perhaps 1000 people. The polls are typically accurate with in a few percentage point to the rest of the nation. I do not understand why the military should be an exception to statically norms. If 20% of the force is female, there is no reason that I can see that 20% of those women should not be able of leading. Unless of course you think that white males are more capable of leading than women or minorities.

One primary reason is:

Unlike most workplaces, the objective of the Military is to kill people at an alarming rate during conflict. In peace time it's objective is to be big mean and ornery enough to make other military types to take pause before messing with us.

All of the diversity bullshite is just that. Sorry but I don't want a politically and demographically correct Military. All I want from my Military is for them to be able to invade Iraq and over run it as they did, killing thousands along the way and forcing surrender with minimum loss of life for our soldiers.

 

[Ms Tree]

I am not advocating quotas, diversity or anything else. What I am trying to say is that given that the percentages do not add up that there is bias involved in the selection process. If you have a large group of say 10,000 units. they are split between 2 groups say squares and circles. If you take a completely random sample of lets say 100 units, statistically, you will end up with close to a 50/50 split of squares and circles in you smaller sampling (just like polls). So, what I am saying is that in a large group like the military, if 20% of the members are black, and they were enlisted under the same criteria that the whites and other groups were, then it stands to reason that the smaller group (officers) should have roughly the same ratio. Given that the ratio is not equal, then I see two possible explanations. Either the minorities are not as capable as the whites or the promotion process is biased. If you have a different theory I would like to hear it. What I am saying is that statistically it does not make sense.

I want a military that will take advantage of the best it's people have to offer with out regard to race, creed, sex, religion or anything else. I believe that there is still a bit of the old boy mentality that is preventing some of the best and brightest from moving up.

 

[SparrowHawk]

When it comes to war I don't give a rat's rear end about demographic statistics. The only statistic I care about is the KILL rate versus our Casualty rate. VICTORY is all that matters, everything else is bullcrap

 

[Ms Tree]

When it comes to war I don't give a rat's rear end about demographic statistics. The only statistic I care about is the KILL rate versus our Casualty rate. VICTORY is all that matters, everything else is bullcrap

Then I would think you would want them to select the best talent they could. Statistically, it would appear that they are not doing so.

 

[dapoes]

Then I would think you would want them to select the best talent they could. Statistically, it would appear that they are not doing so.

Perhaps you should step up or shut up. Go enlist now girlfriend! Go right them wrongs!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Then I would think you would want them to select the best talent they could. Statistically, it would appear that they are not doing so.

Well it's kinda like when I was in this pub in Antwerp and there were a bunch of obnoxious German Football (soccer) fans ragging on the owner who was English about the number of World Cups Germany has won compared to the English. The English guy was rather restrained right up until he turned and said "Yeah but we're pretty F'ing good at World Wars now aren't we?"

That ended the conversation. The US military loses when the political class makes the decisions (Think Viet Nam) You can go back at least as far as WWII with the Tuskegee Airmen, who were so skilled that the all white Bomber crews requested them for air support over Europe. Point being that given the opportunity anyone can excel in the Military. The fact that the opportunities haven't equalized just yet is of no importance to the Military mission