Truth Hurt?

[tech2101]

Blow jobs are not an impeachable act !

"LYING" to congress about recieving said blow job "IS" an impeacable act !

Technically, an article of impeachment can be brought for almost any implied crime:

Article 2, Section 4--". . .on impeachment for, and on conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors..."

[This implies that the impeachment process is not tightly linked to the criminal law. The test is not satisfied by all crimes. With only two named offenses to provide context for the inclusive phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors," the standard remains undefined.]

"Technically, impeachment is the Senate's quasi-criminal proceeding instituted to remove a public officer, not the actual act of removal."

The Impeachment Process in a Nutshell

1. The House Judiciary Committee deliberates over whether to initiate an impeachment inquiry.

2. The Judiciary Committee adopts a resolution seeking authority from the entire House of Representatives to conduct an inquiry. Before voting, the House debates and considers the resolution. Approval requires a majority vote.

3. The Judiciary Committee conducts an impeachment inquiry, possibly through public hearings. At the conclusion of the inquiry, articles of impeachment are prepared. They must be approved by a majority of the Committee.

4. The House of Representatives considers and debates the articles of impeachment. A majority vote of the entire House is required to pass each article. Once an article is approved, the President is, technically speaking, "impeached" -- that is subject to trial in the Senate.

5. The Senate holds trial on the articles of impeachment approved by the House. The Senate sits as a jury while the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the trial.

6. At the conclusion of the trial, the Senate votes on whether to remove the President from office. A two-thirds vote by the Members present in the Senate is required for removal.

7. If the President is removed, the Vice-President assumes the Presidency under the chain of succession established by Amendment XXV.

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[Tug McGroin]

Either that, or I'm YOU too.

Thanks for explaining. For awhile I thought you were Black Bears sock puppet. You're always there to answer his questions and tell me what he thinks, as well as offering excuses for the inaction of Democrats.

 

[delldude]

Technically, an article of impeachment can be brought for almost any implied crime:

Article 2, Section 4--". . .on impeachment for, and on conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors..."

[This implies that the impeachment process is not tightly linked to the criminal law. The test is not satisfied by all crimes. With only two named offenses to provide context for the inclusive phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors," the standard remains undefined.]



The Impeachment Process in a Nutshell

1. The House Judiciary Committee deliberates over whether to initiate an impeachment inquiry.

2. The Judiciary Committee adopts a resolution seeking authority from the entire House of Representatives to conduct an inquiry. Before voting, the House debates and considers the resolution. Approval requires a majority vote.

3. The Judiciary Committee conducts an impeachment inquiry, possibly through public hearings. At the conclusion of the inquiry, articles of impeachment are prepared. They must be approved by a majority of the Committee.

4. The House of Representatives considers and debates the articles of impeachment. A majority vote of the entire House is required to pass each article. Once an article is approved, the President is, technically speaking, "impeached" -- that is subject to trial in the Senate.

5. The Senate holds trial on the articles of impeachment approved by the House. The Senate sits as a jury while the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the trial.

6. At the conclusion of the trial, the Senate votes on whether to remove the President from office. A two-thirds vote by the Members present in the Senate is required for removal.

7. If the President is removed, the Vice-President assumes the Presidency under the chain of succession established by Amendment XXV.

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Interesting....proves how BJ Clinton was impeached.

 

[cooper43]

Blow jobs are not an impeachable act !

"LYING" to congress about recieving said blow job "IS" an impeacable act !

Well Bush could have LIED and manipulated itellegence on Iraq's so called weapons of mass destruction to suit his plans but he and all of his advisors refuse to testify before congress under oath claiming Executive Privilege. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence from a lot of people that he may have done just that. I guess if you refuse to testify and no one challenges you, you dont have to lie.

 

[KCFlyer]

Well Bush could have LIED and manipulated itellegence on Iraq's so called weapons of mass destruction to suit his plans but he and all of his advisors refuse to testify before congress under oath claiming Executive Privilege. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence from a lot of people that he may have done just that. I guess if you refuse to testify and no one challenges you, you dont have to lie.

Nobody's yet answered me...what the hell was congress doing asking the president about a blow job in the first place? Were there not more pressing matters at that time?

 

[signals]

The truth only hurts when you can prove the lie. That is a 'political' joke

Politicians and others don't really lie, they just distort or withhold the truth. They give their Yes, No, Maybe answers to cover their @$$es. They tell you what you want to hear, and that is why Pinocchio, like Washington, would make a great president.

It wasn't that Bill lied, but the fact that he was CAUGHT in a lie. The first Bush said 'No NEW taxes' but was justified when he raised our taxes...think about that one. CREATE or RAISE is a political game that most are blind to.

Republics don't allow people to choose a President but in the US Republic we are given the illusion that we ELECT the prez! Go study American History on that one!

Yet heads of state are the ones we target for all our woes and desperations. Political parties serve the purpose to divide and conquer and We the People...are proof!

 

[Seatacus]

Nobody's yet answered me...what the hell was congress doing asking the president about a blow job in the first place? Were there not more pressing matters at that time?

I thought the congress was asking why he lied to a Grand Jury. I am not sure if what the lie was about was that important.

 

[Veritas]

I am not sure if what the lie was about was that important.

What is perjury?

Perjury is the "willful and corrupt taking of a false oath in regard to a material matter in a judicial proceeding". It is sometimes called "lying under oath"; that is, deliberately telling a lie in a courtroom proceeding after having taken an oath to tell the truth. It is important that the false statement be material to the case at hand—that it Could affect the outcome of the case. It is not considered perjury, for example, to lie about your age, unless your age is a key factor in proving the case.

Perjury can be used as a threat. Although it is a very serious crime under state and Federal laws, and while prosecutors often threaten prosecution, the number of actual prosecutions for perjury is tiny.

Perjury prosecutions stemming from civil lawsuits are particularly rare. This is because it is difficult to prove that someone is intentionally misstating a material fact, rather than simply testifying honestly from faulty memory.

 

[KCFlyer]

I thought the congress was asking why he lied to a Grand Jury. I am not sure if what the lie was about was that important.

So what was a grand jury doing asking about a blowjob? Why was a grand jury so interested in his sex life? What did that have to do with the price of tea in China? Were there no more pressing matters for the grand jury to tend to?

Oh yeah...it was because of that whitewater real estate deal. Wouldn't it be grand if we could install a special prosecutor who could dig and dig and dig all thru a presidents term to dig up a little dirt on him? I mean, they found nothing in whitewater...why wasn't the matter dropped?

 

[tech2101]

So what was a grand jury doing asking about a blowjob? Why was a grand jury so interested in his sex life? What did that have to do with the price of tea in China? Were there no more pressing matters for the grand jury to tend to?

Oh yeah...it was because of that whitewater real estate deal. Wouldn't it be grand if we could install a special prosecutor who could dig and dig and dig all thru a presidents term to dig up a little dirt on him? I mean, they found nothing in whitewater...why wasn't the matter dropped?

Because the Gingrich Revolutionaries did not want to drop it.

One thing to remember about the Republican attempt to impeach Clinton is that, annoying as it was, it failed utterly. The impeachment overreach destroyed Newt Gingrich's career and handed the Republicans the worst elections results for an opposition party since Johnson crushed Goldwater in 1964. Think about that -- getting so close to destroying the President ended with Republicans getting the worst whupping any opposition party had received in 34 years.

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Quote from Bob Barr:

Such things as making statements to his secretary after he gave sworn testimony in an effort, a very clear effort, with no other purpose than to influence the testimony of his secretary, who most assuredly would have been and was called as a grand jury witness.

Evidence such as the president calling and directing one of the most powerful attorneys in this city, Mr. Vernon Jordan, after it was found out that Monica Lewinsky would indeed be and had been subpoenaed as a witness to appear before the court, and directed that she be found a job.

Evidence such as the president, the commander in chief, as we have heard today, picking up a telephone at 2 a.m. in the morning— not by coincidence— the very day that he found out that Ms. Lewinsky was indeed a named witness and would be a witness in the court case of Paula Jones, and going over with her to reaffirm in her mind the stories— the cover stories that they indeed had agreed to if just this calamity would befall them.

These, I submit to every member of this House, are obstruction. They are indeed a frontal assault on our Constitution. You have here today in Article III alone three legs of a stool, if I could borrow an analogy from the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. You have the Constitution, you have the United States Criminal Code as violated by this president, and you have the evidence.

They support a vote for Article III of impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton for obstructing justice in America.

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Bob Barr

 

[delldude]

2101:

So look now at the investigations the Dem's have undertaken since they are in power.....works both ways.

Sad commentary as to how we govern our country.....

Getting even = the American Way

 

[Veritas]

So look now at the investigations the Dem's have undertaken since they are in power.....works both ways.

How many of those investigations target the personal lives of the president and members of his administration?

 

[tech2101]

How many of those investigations target the personal lives of the president and members of his administration?

I have not heard of any Veritas.

That does not mean that it is below some in the Democratic machine to do that.

Let us hope that Obama does not allow this as the new party leader.

I can only hope that they will not go as low as the Republicans did with the whole Whitewater/Rose/Foster/Lewinski debacle...

 

[KCFlyer]

Getting even = the American Way

I do agree with you. In fact, I think the Clinton impeachment hearing was "getting even" for Watergate. They waited a long time to do it, but eventually they did. But the right will only focus on the "he lied" part....to try to defend the REASON he lied for them would mean that they would have to admit that while they don't want their tax dollars going to feed the poor or provide health care to children, they have no problem spending those dollars on a "special proscecutor" who is "investigating" the accusation du jour against a president of the opposing party.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Ok..........Ok,......Time for me to "come clean" !!

I AM a "double agent" !!

I AM ...Tug McGroin !!

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