Twu E-board And Member Support?

[Superside]

E-board unwritten policy regaurding disputes between members.
After a dispute in our shop, one member was cautioned that his job was on the line.
By Whom you might ask, The shop steward.
To Quote the steward..." The E-board will back the TWU supporter over the AMFA supporter in disputes that go to HR..."
The stewards name will not be given, the 514 has a history of stripping stewards of their posts.
HOWEVER, I caution the 514 leadership. When and if such an incident should arise.
The Union is obligated under Fedefal Law to represent all members Equally.
Should a dismissed member not receive Equal representation the Unions assetts are at stake....I think you better rethink your Unwritten policy. :blink:

 

[Checking it Out]

Your grasping for straws!!!

Keep up with your lies and deception.

You amfa supporters have done more damage to the Industry than any union in the history of Aviation!!!!! The TWU will be here and will represent members. Unlike amfa who typically runs and hides.

 

[Steve Connell]

And that issue has been proven at MCIE. Wrong again Super.

 

[Superside]

Your grasping for straws!!!

Keep up with your lies and deception.

...amfa who typically runs and hides.

So, Not only do you(CIO) Call me a lier, You are also calling the Shop Steward a lier.
I witnessed the incident 1st hand. YOU did not!
I heard the Steward. YOU did not .
The shop Steward has been and still is one of the most honorable(read HONEST)
people I know. Dispite his tacit approval Of TWU's Poor leadership Performance.

You CIO are the one that is grasping at straws.
You along with your Industrial Union have done the damage you speak of. You approve of the Degredation of the Class and Craft by doing very little or nothing to protect it.
YOU are the one that will not answer Questions. AMFA run and Hide?...Think again... We are going to get AMFA representation come hell or high water.You are right about one thing though, TWU will be representing members. Those members just won't be Mechanics and Related. Gooday to you SIR! HAHAHAHAHAHAH.

 

[Superside]

And that issue has been proven at MCIE. Wrong again Super.

Think on this Steve,
Back in September a TWU supporter Committed ASSAULT and BATTERY.
In October a TWU member was dismissed for use of derogatory remarks.
The Person that committed ASSAULT AND BATTERY IS STILL EMPLOYED!
The person that used derogatory language is NOT!
Why are they not both dissmissed or both employed?
Proof that the 514 will Stick with the TWU suppporter, and feed the AMFA supporter to the Wolves!!!!
You Should be here in Tulsa then you might understand how SCREWED UP the TWU really is.
Things at MCIE are obviously all peachy keen. Gooday to you too, SIR.

 

[Bob Owens]

Your grasping for straws!!!

Keep up with your lies and deception.

You amfa supporters have done more damage to the Industry than any union in the history of Aviation!!!!! The TWU will be here and will represent members. Unlike amfa who typically runs and hides.

Could you clarify this?

How has AMFA damaged the "Industry"? NWA saw an immediate increase in productivity when AMFA came on the property. How did that damage the industry?

Now if you want to talk about damage to the profession thats another story.

Hands down the TWU is the leader.

-SRPs

-OSMs

-Leader in outsourcing for many years.

-Leader in transferring work away from A&P mechanics

-first with B-scale

-first with pre-funding

-first with "flex benifits"

-first with retro-vacation givebacks

-first with retro holiday givebacks (Good Friday)

-first with only 4 hours extra pay for working the holiday vs everyone elses 12 hrs extra.

-lowest amount of recognized holidays

-lowest vacation accrual

-lowest sick time accrual

-only one to only pay half pay for the first two sick days per occurance

The list goes on but its clear that no other union has done as much damage to the profession of A&P mechanics than the TWU.

In fact no other union has done as much damage to airline workers overall than the TWU, whether its mechanics at AA, Fleetservice workers at AA, Swissport and Worldwide or flight attendants at SWA you will find the TWU holding back rates and benefits, putting downward pressure on workers throughout the industry. The only class and craft that has been safe from the TWU is the pilots.


Running and hiding is a TWU trait, like when Bobby Gless asks the company to bring papers out to the parking lot because he does not want members to see him, or when Ed Kozitek climbs out the bathroom window to duck out of a hostile membership meeting or when Sonny Hall refuses to attend the Labor Day parade in NYC or refuses to show up at his Kangaroo courts where he presses charges against Local officers and refuses to show up. Or like you CIO when you duck out of debates on the WEB by not responding to questions.

Give me one example where an elected or if you know of any, appointed, AMFA leader has acted in such a manner.

 

[Steve Connell]

..." The E-board will back the TWU supporter over the AMFA supporter in disputes that go to HR..."

OK Super, let me be the one to relate to this board my personal dealings with AMFA . AMFA caused me top go against my grain of unionism. I have accused myself of being a rat over this, and it hurts, but I would not have handled it any other way. I could stay silent and keep this info to myself but I feel it needs to be stated.

Roughly 4 weeks ago I was approached by a friend that stated "Steve, you need to be careful, I spoke with ####### and he stated that you don't know who you're messing with, that the guys you testified against in AFW are up here and watching your house, in fact Steve, they are having a hard time seeing the house as it sits so far from the road"
Super, the man that made that statement originally was a friend of mine that supports AMFA. ####### is no actual threat to me physically, but he crossed the line when he involved my house and family. He knows my house, he knows my land. If AFW was to be here then he would have brought them or assisted.My first reaction was to, well, best not mention in case COMPANY reads here, anyhow, I wanted to handle "inhouse". That would have resulted in certain job loss of both of us. So I went R32 and had the COMPANY investigate. This Super, is a product of your run for AMFA. I was 99.9% sure ####### was shooting his mouth off, but Super, I will not risk my wife and family on that .1%. You see Super, my home cannot be seen from the road, there was merit to his statements. If ####### had issues with me then he should have done it face up. Should I have confronted him over this?, not a good idea. I do not take confrontation well, it would have cost 2 jobs that night. I blame the local AMFA organizers for this, they fill him with so much poo, then threw him out to the dogs, meaning us. I lost a good friend that day, a tad bit of self-respect, and I learned a good lesson in self control.

I have been called a rat here, no big deal, but when I consider my own actions and what I had to do to a friend due to your AMFA drive, there is nothing you can state to waiver my convictions.

Now back to your AMFA rep not getting his due from the TWU. This man was repped by TWU. He received nothing for his actions due to his TWU representation. And I guarantee you he is on the floor presently badmouthing the TWU.

AMFA made me decide over friend and family, or they thought there was a decision to be made, either way, if the amfa supporters would not have been feeding my friend and building his disgust then this item would not have occurred. Damn you AMFA and all your reps that prey upon the followers . I have NO PROBLEM with standing up to my decisions, but I will not allow anyone to go through my family to get to me. You want Steve? Just ask.

This has to stop, who is winning here?

 

[TWU informer]

Hey Steve,

There was a TWU supporter arrested for child pornography.

Does that make you a pedophile?

 

[Birdman]

Steve, I certainly regret those on EITHER SIDE who would stoop to new lows to intimidate or coerce. For every example like yours there is at least an equal, if not more hideous violation on the OTHER SIDE. In Tulsa it's just a fact of life. I decided a long time ago this wasn't about ME. This was about OUR PROFESSION. I've looked past the GOONS on both sides. You may now be a TWUer for life and if so, so be it. AMFA is not perfect or the savior of anyone, but I believe they will promote our profession.
In regard to the subject of this thread I believe the AMT was certainly wrongfully discharged and will eventually be reinstated DISPITE the TWU. Its just a shame he has to go through the long and arduous court system to prove his 1st Amendment Rights have been violated. Yours, Birdman

 

[Steve Connell]

There was a TWU supporter arrested for child pornography.

Does that make you a pedophile?

Not sure of your intent or meaning here, if you are insinuating that not all AMFA reps intimidate I certainly agree with you, that was not my intent to convey that . I'm sure there are good reps with AMFA with as deep convictions as my own, I'm not about to admit my way of thinking is the only way of thinking or that anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong, but look at these posts here and the history. Every post which is pro-TWU or pro-AFL-CIO is beaten down and the integrity of the poster is shredded by an AMFA supporter, and we wonder why there's not more people that post here?

 

[Superside]

Super, the man that made that statement originally was a friend of mine that supports AMFA. ####### is no actual threat to me physically, but he crossed the line when he involved my house and family. He knows my house, he knows my land. If AFW was to be here then he would have brought them or assisted

[/QUOTE].
Steve,
I Have to ask,but if this fellow was likely to Lead any trouble to your home, Why did he warn you of the possibility.
I certainly don't blame you for being upset.
In 1998/99,(date approx.) A debate between AMFA and TWU was ended before it could start, because some TWU supporter called in a threat involving an explosive device.
Yes There are nuts on both sides, I have to avoid one every day.
Sorry the incident you mentioned has affected your long term view of AMFA.
AMFA supporters, remember... INTEGRITY!

 

[RUM@AA]

AMFA made me decide over friend and family, or they thought there was a decision to be made, either way, if the amfa supporters would not have been feeding my friend and building his disgust then this item would not have occurred. Damn you AMFA and all your reps that prey upon the followers . I have NO PROBLEM with standing up to my decisions, but I will not allow anyone to go through my family to get to me. You want Steve? Just ask.

Do not mistake one individual for AMFA. AMFA, the organization and its constitution are a better option for the M&R employees at AA.
Stupid things said, and perceved as threats, by lone individuals are borne on frustrations from being constantly sold-out by the TWU, and dismissed by our fellow mechanics who refuse to accept a change in representation out of blind loyalty or fear of the unknown.
I fear that if we don't go AMFA, and the TWU gets another chance to screw us over, there will be knock-down drag-out fights on the floor.
How can you TWU supporters let this happen to us again? and again? and again? and again?
You TWA guys gave concessions for years and years. Did it save your company? NO! 🙁
TWU has given concession after concession ever since 1983. Did it keep AA from near bankruptcy? NO!
And yet you wonder why guys are pissed off and frustrated?
I don't condone anyone threatening anyone else. This movement is not about force, its about freedom. But some people will do stupid things out of frustration.

 

[RUM@AA]

CIO says:
Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season from TWU Local 514

Oh yeah, we'll be really happy to go to work on the Friday after Thanksgiving you A##HOLE!!!
While our fellow mechanics at United, Northwest, Southwest, USAirways, Continental and NON-UNION Delta are enjoying the day off, we will all be at work for STRAIGHT TIME.
Some union you got their you A##HOLE!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

[Checking it Out]

Rum, The Majority of the members who voted choose to accepted the contract as presented. That is Majority Rule. Get over it and work on changing the issues in 2006. Having a decient paying job is better than building decks as a profession.

If we all work at putting suggestions forward for our next contract talks and stand-up and fight than we will achieve our goals.

The real enemy here is the companies and amfa allowing the increase in farm-outs. This allows an abundance of qualified workers to do the jobs at third party Maintenance. Which equates to more job losses. for cheaper wages.

The Membership at AA understand the damage that has been done and know AA will farm-out the work if we do not go with the changes coming in the Industry. That is common sense. No one likes it, but it's the truth!

 

[AMFAMAN]

WOW, If that isn't the biggest load of company B.S. I ever heard I don't know what is. To think a guy like the self proclaimed great union man Steve Connell supports idiots like CIO. Steve saying is "if I can't be company, at least I can be company-union"

CIO you make me sick you company bootlicker(aka...strong twu man) :down: