TWU or IAM for The Mechanics @ AA & US.

[Boomer]

Thread is IAM v. TWU if AA joins US

For the Maintenance & Related: the US Airways Maintenance & Related number about 3,200; the AA M&R number about 11,000.

In any Representational Election: the TWU at AA will choose to hold our contract, with the "hold harmless provisions" adjudicated as legal during the AA/TWA aquisition and require an NMB Certification Election during which the IAM will be outnumbered 3:1.

The IAM COLLUDED with NWA in breaking the AMFA strike, along with the F/A Union and ALPA.

The majority of the M&R at AA wanted AMFA to represent then: collusion between AA and the TWU prevented that election.

Absent a true democratic union, AMFA, the M&R at AA will retain the TWU for job protection.

ALL JMHO,

Regards,
Boomer

 

[Mr Eagle]

Everybody keeps speculating on what is going to happen. We have heard NOTHING from the union. Now That The UNION Has Spoken {TWU} what are they saying?

 

[TWU informer]

Everybody keeps speculating on what is going to happen. We have heard NOTHING from the union. Now That The UNION Has Spoken {TWU} what are they saying?

They are saying sign some website they created and save thousands of jobs.

ROLMAO

 

[aapitbull]

I'm finding it amusing that "non-union" is winning - amongst this group, of all places.

Not suprising at all Frank when we ran the AMFA drive in Tulsa that was always one of our biggest problems, it was not that they liked the TWU it was they did not like unions in general. It would not surprise me if no union won this vote.

 

[aapitbull]

You wont hear what the company wants till they file their Section 1113 Motion, which starts the negotiation process with the unions.

Well then tomorrow will be your first sign that this is not the normal BK because the company has told the union that they will tell them what the want tomorrow and then wants to open 2 to 3 weeks of pre 1113 negotiations in hopes of reaching a consenual agreement and if one cannot be reached then they will file 1113 and start the process with the court involved. Now I am telling you what the company said not my opinion of how it works.

 

[aapitbull]

By the way during the TWA merger the guys in Tulsa and some of the line stations sent the IAM enough cards to gain a election between the TWU & IAM but the IAM used those cards to force the TWU to pay them off with the help of the AFL-CIO and no election ever took place I personally signed a IAM card as did many others.

 

[TWU informer]

By the way during the TWA merger the guys in Tulsa and some of the line stations sent the IAM enough cards to gain a election between the TWU & IAM but the IAM used those cards to force the TWU to pay them off with the help of the AFL-CIO and no election ever took place I personally signed a IAM card as did many others.

True, I signed one too. but will never again.

 

[tech2101]

The IAMAW is a scab union.

The TWU has done more to erode the quality of life for the AMT than any union other than the IAM (by sanctioning the crossing of a legal picket line). Therefore, I would choose none of the above.

That said, I would still rather have a union than none at all in these times.

 

[Bob Owens]

AA doesn't decide what anybody makes once in bk, a judge will. The judge will listen to what the company wants, then listen to what the unions want. Then the judge will have to look at the pay and benefits for the different employee classifications around the industry. Then the judge will come up with whatever he/she thinks is the best. Now depending on your employee group, you have to look at where you're at in pay, and benefits when compared to others in the industry that perform the same job. The charts are posted on the AA negotiations website.

The Judge doers not arbitrate, he says either yes or no. Yes you can impose what you asked for or no you cant.

 

[767 mechanic]

The IAMAW is a scab union.

The TWU has done more to erode the quality of life for the AMT than any union other than the IAM (by sanctioning the crossing of a legal picket line). Therefore, I would choose none of the above.

That said, I would still rather have a union than none at all in these times.

SSSHHHHHH don't say that the iam is a scab union even if its true. Afterall the iam had a contract that allowed them to do the deicing right. So all you have to do is have contract and that means you are not a scab. Even though the iam sign that contract after the AMFA went on strike and that work was previously done by the AMFA. I wonder if the scabs at eastern had a contract? Then they would not be scabs in the eyes of one of the posters on this board. No that would not work because it was an iam picket line.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

A question for AA mechanics...

How bad do you want out of the TWU?

A simple question of course, but should a merger with US become a reality, you will have your chance. Do you stay with the TWU or go with the IAM.

That said, as I've read through this thread I've seen the same arguments against the IAM that we (UAL mechanics) are facing as we are trying to remove the teamsters and return to the IAM.

Something to consider, while the IAMs actions at NWA are a matter of historical fact, was it the entire Union itself or certain members within that union? Some may say..."it doesn't matter" I for one beg to differ. The individual directly responsible for the actions at NWA during the strike was then President of Distric Lodge 143 Bobby Depace. It was under his direction that the NWA ramp took over mechanic dispatch & related duties. Today this individual is gone.

At UAL we were faced with this question, and to their credit the IAM addressed our concerns. Our organizing committee is made up of former supporters of all 3 of our previous/current unions IAM-AMFA-IBT. While near all unions have one stain or another, as one of AMFA supporters I was one of the most skeptical of our group, even I am now hopeful.

As before, if a merger is announced, you may indeed have a choice between the IAM and staying with the TWU. Below is a link to drive at UAL.


IAM-MFC

 

[aapitbull]

A question for AA mechanics...

How bad do you want out of the TWU?

A simple question of course, but should a merger with US become a reality, you will have your chance. Do you stay with the TWU or go with the IAM.

That said, as I've read through this thread I've seen the same arguments against the IAM that we (UAL mechanics) are facing as we are trying to remove the teamsters and return to the IAM.

Something to consider, while the IAMs actions at NWA are a matter of historical fact, was it the entire Union itself or certain members within that union? Some may say..."it doesn't matter" I for one beg to differ. The individual directly responsible for the actions at NWA during the strike was then President of Distric Lodge 143 Bobby Depace. It was under his direction that the NWA ramp took over mechanic dispatch & related duties. Today this individual is gone.

At UAL we were faced with this question, and to their credit the IAM addressed our concerns. Our organizing committee is made up of former supporters of all 3 of our previous/current unions IAM-AMFA-IBT. While near all unions have one stain or another, as one of AMFA supporters I was one of the most skeptical of our group, even I am now hopeful.

As before, if a merger is announced, you may indeed have a choice between the IAM and staying with the TWU. Below is a link to drive at UAL.


IAM-MFC

While I agree that the IAM is a better union than the TWU I am not likely to sign a card for the IAM until someone explains the sellout during the TWA/AA merger they had a chance to unseat the TWU back then and cut a deal for money.

 

[787nightmare]

IAM, hands down.
Then carry on with a craft union card drive for the AMTs.

And those that voted non-union, I'd be curious to know if they ever actually worked for a non-union carrier.
Hint...it's not a good as you're thinking.