TWU or IAM for The Mechanics @ AA & US.

[Duke787]

It's Tulsa's fault because George Bush is gone.

What does this mean?

I'm sure Obama will same the same thing Bush said, which is nothing.

 

[Vortilon]

That's not totally true. The Judge will not base our pay on what the industry average is for our particular workgroup, he will base it on what he feels AA needs to make sure of a successful reorganization. Remember, AA is swamped iin debt while these other airlines are turning profits. In my workgroup, we make approx $21 (pay only), that is not even the middle of the pack based on AA's website. It would not surprise me to go down $3-$5 dollars an hour if AA makes a strong argument that that is what they need.

Well, considering you're within 50 cents of the number 2 spot - you're not that far off. I wish the aircraft mechanics were within 50 cents of the number 2 spot on the a/c mechanics pay comparison scale. The company is walking a fine line, cut too much and screw the employees out of there pensions and pay etc., there will be a mass exodus. Then the ones still on the clock..well if you thought their attitudes were bad before.

What strong argument could they make? We already have the worst benefits in the industry, and damn near the worst pay? I mean, take away the 7.5% increase in pay we got over 5 years with the 2003 concessionary contract - we are back to what we had in 2003 to keep the company out of BK.

 

[Buck]

Well, considering you're within 50 cents of the number 2 spot - you're not that far off. I wish the aircraft mechanics were within 50 cents of the number 2 spot on the a/c mechanics pay comparison scale. The company is walking a fine line, cut too much and screw the employees out of there pensions and pay etc., there will be a mass exodus. Then the ones still on the clock..well if you thought their attitudes were bad before.

What strong argument could they make? We already have the worst benefits in the industry, and damn near the worst pay? I mean, take away the 7.5% increase in pay we got over 5 years with the 2003 concessionary contract - we are back to what we had in 2003 to keep the company out of BK.

Not while we have union representation, the unions will be there to represent us.

 

[Kev3188]

That's not totally true. The Judge will not base our pay on what the industry average is for our particular workgroup, he will base it on what he feels AA needs to make sure of a successful reorganization. Remember, AA is swamped iin debt while these other airlines are turning profits. In my workgroup, we make approx $21 (pay only), that is not even the middle of the pack based on AA's website. It would not surprise me to go down $3-$5 dollars an hour if AA makes a strong argument that that is what they need.

It'll depend on what the "ask" for Fleet service winds up being. In our case at NW, it was a total of $181m annually, and it could be divided up however we (the membership) chose, as long as we met that total figure.

Just for "back of the envelope" math planning, I'd say look for a 15-20% cut in base rate in the interim, and slightly less long term. It may be more or less, of course, but that should be fairly close.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Not while we have union representation, the unions will be there to represent us.

You claimed to be an agitator - you, sir, are correct!

ROFLMFAO!

Isn't that more like "Not while we have union representation, the twu will be there to represent their need for dues."?

 

[FWAAA]

Fleet can't be outsourced to extreme low-cost providers in China or El Salvador the same way overhaul can be outsourced.

But it can be outsourced to companies like Menzies, like AS did a few years ago. My guess is that AA attempts to outsource everything outside of the hubs.

 

[AANOTOK]

Fleet can't be outsourced to extreme low-cost providers in China or El Salvador the same way overhaul can be outsourced.

But it can be outsourced to companies like Menzies, like AS did a few years ago. My guess is that AA attempts to outsource everything outside of the hubs.

Agreed F. ten thousand plus fleet right now, I would guess about 6,500 to 7,000 max (could be much less) when the outsourcing is complete.

 

[700UW]

That's not totally true. The Judge will not base our pay on what the industry average is for our particular workgroup, he will base it on what he feels AA needs to make sure of a successful reorganization. Remember, AA is swamped iin debt while these other airlines are turning profits. In my workgroup, we make approx $21 (pay only), that is not even the middle of the pack based on AA's website. It would not surprise me to go down $3-$5 dollars an hour if AA makes a strong argument that that is what they need.

The Judge does not negotiate your contract, he has nothing to do with it, he only approves or disaproves motions on the docket.

Negotiations are done between the company and the union. If your CBA gets abrogated the company will present their final offer and the judge will either impose it or have the members vote on it.

It is very clear that many of you do not understand the Section 1113 Process, I suggest you educate yourself on it.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Agreed F. ten thousand plus fleet right now, I would guess about 6,500 to 7,000 max (could be much less) when the outsourcing is complete.

How Many AMT Tech's are there @ AA? There are About 4500 US AIRWAYS Tech's Plus Materials Stock Clerks,Planners Etc; Probably about 5500 Technical Support People Total. If any Book worm knows exactly please Give up that info.
Help another Brother from another Mother out give up that Info. 🙂 :blink:

 

[FWAAA]

How Many AMT Tech's are there @ AA? There are About 4500 US AIRWAYS Tech's Plus Materials Stock Clerks,Planners Etc; Probably about 5500 Technical Support People Total. If any Book worm knows exactly please Give up that info.
Help another Brother from another Mother out give up that Info. 🙂 :blink:

Your US numbers look a little high. From the 2010 10-K:

Employees and Labor Relations
Our business is labor intensive. In 2010, wages, salaries and benefits were one of our largest expenses and represented approximately 23% of our operating expenses. As of December 31, 2010, US Airways employed approximately 30,900 active full-time equivalent employees, including approximately 4,000 pilots, 7,000 flight attendants, 5,700 passenger service personnel, 5,900 fleet service personnel, 3,200 maintenance personnel and 5,100 personnel in administrative and various other job categories. Our Express subsidiaries, Piedmont and PSA, employed approximately 4,900 active full-time equivalent employees, including approximately 800 pilots, 500 flight attendants, 2,800 passenger service personnel, 400 maintenance personnel and 400 personnel in administrative and various other job categories.

Looks like 3,200 total maintenance personnel at mainline plus another 400 at the wholly-owned commuters, PSA and Piedmont.

AA mainline has about 11,000 total maintenance personnel plus another 1,500 or more at wholly-owned Eagle (which does inhouse overhaul as well). I recall someone posting about 9,000 AMTs plus another 2,000 assorted personnel.

 

[damajagua]

I'm finding it amusing that "non-union" is winning - amongst this group, of all places.

I find it amusing too; but what have any of the unions at AA have done for
us lately?

 

[AANOTOK]

The Judge does not negotiate your contract, he has nothing to do with it, he only approves or disaproves motions on the docket.

Negotiations are done between the company and the union. If your CBA gets abrogated the company will present their final offer and the judge will either impose it or have the members vote on it.

It is very clear that many of you do not understand the Section 1113 Process, I suggest you educate yourself on it.

Comprehension is a terrible thing to waste. That's what was said 7000! :blink:

 

[Show me the money]

Everybody keeps speculating on what is going to happen. We have heard NOTHING from the union. You hear from Buck that Tulsa is going to get screwed. Does he have information that he is not sharing with the rest of the members? The fact is the union and the company can bargain all they want it comes down to who makes the best case to the judge and what he or she believes. Not what actually is fair or logical but based on human emotion. That's where our future lies. Kinda makes you feel warm all over!!

 

[700UW]

You wont hear what the company wants till they file their Section 1113 Motion, which starts the negotiation process with the unions.

 

[Buck]

Everybody keeps speculating on what is going to happen. We have heard NOTHING from the union. You hear from Buck that Tulsa is going to get screwed. Does he have information that he is not sharing with the rest of the members? The fact is the union and the company can bargain all they want it comes down to who makes the best case to the judge and what he or she believes. Not what actually is fair or logical but based on human emotion. That's where our future lies. Kinda makes you feel warm all over!!

I have search through all of my posts from 12/2010 thru 12/11 and as of today I cannot find where I stated that Tulsa or anybody s "going " to get screwed. I did state in sarcasm and in reference to the Line and GEO pay and OH, quoting Chris Perry, who stated "It might be in their interest to pay enough to retain mechanics....." which i responded "But only the Line mechanic's, Screw TUL.

I would say that if I have information, that there is a 99.9% probability that I wil relate it here, even if it makes fellow employees uncomfortable. I have on numerous occasions stated that what I post is hearsy or rumor.