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Anybody know the totals? All I know is that fleet service rejected the TWU today.

I personally thought that the TWU was a horrible choice, based on what they have not done for others. Maybe the TWU will now focus on reevaluating how they treat their own members.

regards,
 
I personally thought that the TWU was a horrible choice, based on what they have not done for others. Maybe the TWU will now focus on reevaluating how they treat their own members.

regards,

The TWU is a horrible choice. I am a TWU-ATD member, and they are just a dues collection agency in my eyes. You'll be glad you rejected them.
 
TWU President James C. Little said the overwhelming majority of workers who voted supported the union but that turnout was below the 50 percent required for the union to win under federal law _ "no" votes and those not cast both count against the union.

The same rule that keeps us stuck with the TWU helped protect Continental from Jim-AA Little. Some stories do have happy endings. I hope they go for the IBT or start a new union-You up for it Tim?
 
for those of you who voted NO to the twu representation you have saved yourselves and your co-workers from years of twu dues collection and industry leading concessionery contracts. The twu is nothing but a dues collection agency that gives its members the false hope of real union representation. The people running the twu are a bunch of UN-Elected thieves who are looking for more people to line thier pockets with the never ending dues collection.

The twu is like a drug
JUST SAY NO

Never believe the lies of Chicken Little
He is as spineless as a jellyfish

If ever you have any doubt just check out the AA board we will surely enlighten you to the shortcomings of the twu ( Totally Worthless Union





Union Loses Bid to Organize Continental Workers
DALLAS (AP) -- Baggage handlers and cargo agents at Continental Airlines Inc. have voted to reject a union's bid to organize them, the airline said Wednesday.
Continental said 3,517 workers voted for the Transport Workers Union out of 7,660 employees eligible to vote. That was 314 short of the majority the union needed in voting that began in December and concluded Wednesday.
The vote to reject occurred for the third time in about as many years.
"Once again, we are pleased that our co-workers recognized the value of our direct working relationship," said Bill Meehan, senior vice president of airport services for Houston-based Continental. "We'll continue to work together to honor the commitments and promises we've made and maintain our culture of trust and success."
TWU President James C. Little said the overwhelming majority of workers who voted supported the union but that turnout was below the 50 percent required for the union to win under federal law -- "no" votes and those not cast both count against the union.
"We have a lot of friends at Continental, and the TWU will continue to be there to support them," he said.
Shares of Continental rose 96 cents, or 5.4 percent, to $18.80. Airline stocks soared Wednesday on speculation of takeover activity in the industry and an upgrade by investment research firm UBS.
TWU officials had said the Continental ramp workers are the largest group of nonunion employees in the heavily organized airline industry.
In 2006, the TWU got more than 3,300 votes but fell about 300 short of the majority needed for approval. The TWU also lost by a narrow margin in 2005.
Before that, the Teamsters and the International Association of Machinists had also failed in efforts to organize the workers, who are clustered in Houston, Newark, N.J., and Cleveland but also spread out across many smaller locations.
Little said last month that if his union lost a third election, maybe it would fall to the Teamsters or IAM to try again.
The TWU argued during the campaign that ground workers would have more leverage to recover pay cuts of nearly 10 percent in 2005 if the union represented them in contract negotiations. They got 2 percent raises last year.
Continental, which earned $491 million through the first nine months of last year, has more than 40,000 employees
 
The same rule that keeps us stuck with the TWU helped protect Continental from Jim-AA Little. Some stories do have happy endings. I hope they go for the IBT or start a new union-You up for it Tim?
Bob,

I've given my committment to try to change the leadership of DL141. I will see that to the end at this time. I think changing the district will be rather easy at this point as we are well entrenched.
Prior to this, I did campaign for the IBT but the IBT pulled out.

regards,
 
There is a bigger issue that still exists here. The Ramp Agents at CAL are still without a union. CAL management gives glowing reports of how it treats its employees when we all know the reality is different. I view TWU and IAM as identical twins, helplessly broken and self serving without regard to their members. So who is left to represent these workers?
 
Gee Tim,

If the TWU was so bad, why did you campaign for them when US and HP first merged?

And if the TWU is so bad, why are the WN/TWU rampers the highest paid in the industry?
 
One positive among many negatives does not a good union make....

Exactly. Sounds like 700UW might be assuming causation where none exists. My guess is that the 30+ years of constant profits at WN has a great deal to do with the wages paid to the WN employees. Their 737 Captains have a higher hourly rate than any legacy Captains except for those who fly AA's 777s. Their mechanics and FAs make top wages as well. I'm skeptical that the TWU has anything to do with the pay rates. Splitting a profitable pie is always gonna result in higher wages for that company's employees than arguing over the size of massive concessions (which is what happened at AA, UA, DL, NW and US).

You can be certain that if WN didn't believe in fuel hedging or if WN's management believed in gouging passengers on fares or if the American consumers didn't like to fly WN, their employees' wages wouldn't be industry-leading. Their wages would resemble those at the other loser airlines, all of which have whacked wages in bankruptcy (except for AA, which did it without wasting all that money on Ch 11). And if WN had been posting massive losses and demanding and getting concessions, the rampers at WN would hate the TWU just as much as AA's mechanics and rampers. There was no groundswell at AA to replace the TWU until 2003, after the concessions had been jammed down the employees' throats.

Little mentioned that the CO rampers had suffered a 10% pay giveback and that their concessions were larger than they would have been had they been represented by the TWU. Actually, a mere 10% post-September 11 pay concession looks like about the best result among any legacy airline employees. One could make a coherent argument that CO rampers got the best possible result and that representation (by the TWU or any other union) would have simply cost them a couple hours pay per month and their concession percentage might have been larger, since represented labor groups at the other legacies suffered larger pay givebacks.
 
Anybody know the totals? All I know is that fleet service rejected the TWU today.

I personally thought that the TWU was a horrible choice, based on what they have not done for others. Maybe the TWU will now focus on reevaluating how they treat their own members.

regards,

You guys did right.

I wonder why, though, Little tells CO rampers he'll help them recover a 10% concession when he won't help the AA employees do the same about their 22% give back?

He's a liar - make sure, if you fellas do end up with representation, the guy at the top can be booted out by election. With the twu, Little's there for life.
 
And if the TWU is so bad, why are the WN/TWU rampers the highest paid in the industry?

Like the AMFA represented mechanics at WN?

Werent the Rampers the last to become highest paid in their Class and Craft? Did they actually get a big raise or did they become the highest paid by default because everyone else took big paycuts?
 
Bob,

I've given my committment to try to change the leadership of DL141. I will see that to the end at this time. I think changing the district will be rather easy at this point as we are well entrenched.
Prior to this, I did campaign for the IBT but the IBT pulled out.

regards,
Good luck!
 
There is a bigger issue that still exists here. The Ramp Agents at CAL are still without a union. CAL management gives glowing reports of how it treats its employees when we all know the reality is different. I view TWU and IAM as identical twins, helplessly broken and self serving without regard to their members. So who is left to represent these workers?
You have choices. You can either go for the IBT, who already represent your mechanics, or start a new union.

The IBT is the easiest route but they are a business union and that brings a host of problems. However given the choices of existing unions available out there the IBT is probably the best. Close government oversight means its probably the least corrupt and there is real competition and democratic debate within the IBT thanks to the existance of the TDU (Teamsters for a Democratic Union).

The other choice, start a new union, would be better if you set out to organize the whole industry after organbizing at Continental. The drawback to that is it would take a lot more effort and you run the real risk that the unions aligned with the AFL-CIO would sabotage your union like they did over at NWA to the mechanics that went to AMFA and the APA pilots at American Airlines.

Either way you should try and get a union. But dont settle for any union, go for the best or start a new one. Having been under the TWU for twenty years I can tell you that the TWU would be a disaster for you as it has been for us. Settling for the only one left after last call could make you life worse than holding out for the right one. Go for the IBT or start a new union, stay away from the TWU or IAM.

By the way, how much Profit Sharing did you get? We got $800, before taxes.
 
Nope, WN has been leading the industry in pay for years on the ramp, they were making more than CO, US etc before concessions.
 
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