United Continental Shifts Jobs to Trim Costs

[700UW]

And let me ask you ONCE again, since you refuse to answer:
 
How many times did the ramp vote and when was the last time?
 
Do you realize unionization isnt an easy process especially since DL spent millions to raise the threshold to 50%+1, what are they scared of?
 
You do realize DL's own employees went to the IAM and they are signing cards?
 
You do realize it took four votes at US for the ramp to unionize?
 
The results for the ramp was how many years ago?
 
And why is it is such a concern for you since you are not ACS nor FA and you are only a retiree who collects a frozen paycheck?
 
Why do you put so much anti-union effort in to the five DL posters on here?

 

[xUT]

I was a little disappointed that the UA thread was not active.
Now, not so much.
Why don't you hillbillies take your ball and go home.
B)

 

[eolesen]

So, UA is following the same strategy that DL has of showing preference to have its own people in public contact positions and essentially moving people from the ramp to above wing functions?

sounds so, ummm, 7.5


and the IAM couldn't do a thing except acknowledge what DL did 20 years ago.

I don't see where UA is planning to keep employees at all in those 12 cities. They're moving to ground handlers.

While you're busy crowing about 7.5, this is the same move AA made about 20 years ago as well, when they outsourced 24 cities with fewer than 7 departures a day.

Then again, it's essentially the same ground handler model that airlines on every other continent in the world has followed.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I didn't say that UA is keeping employees at these 12 cities. They are taking back above wing functions at several cities and reducing the number of jobs that are lost by allowing BW employees to move to AW functions. not necessarily the same cities.

Did AA allow displaced BW employees to move to AW jobs? that is what DL did because there was no union involved in either place.

 

[eolesen]

AA never blocked BW ee's from moving into AW jobs. With the IAM representing both AW and BW, I can't imagine they'd block it at UA, either.

When it came to exercising seniority in a station closure or a RIF, the only options presented where they could bump someone else were within-classification, but open vacancies in other classifications were always fair game if they wanted to change jobs. As far as how proactive HR was in promoting those out of classification options, I have no recollection.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL ACTIVELY protected BW employees who faced displacement in AW jobs if they qualified OR in open BW locations where jobs existed.

No union went more options.

And DL employees have never had to vote if they want to take a pay cut in order to bring stations costs down to what a contractor was willing to charge

 

[700UW]

DL ACTIVELY protected BW employees who faced displacement in AW jobs if they qualified OR in open BW locations where jobs existed.

No union went more options.

And DL employees have never had to vote if they want to take a pay cut in order to bring stations costs down to what a contractor was willing to charge

Protected?
 
How many moved?
 
How many got laidoff?
 
Did DL pay for their moving expenses?
 
DL employees never voted because DL can do what ever and when ever they want to them as they are employees at will, they had no options, they were at the mercy of DL.
 
Cant say that about UA, now can you?
 
The IAM just saved 400 jobs at UA.

 

[737823]

So if the IAM saved 400 jobs they also directly cut those jobs initially by negotiating and advocating their members vote yes for the agreement with that language in place.
 
Josh

 

[700UW]

No UA cuts the jobs, not the union.
 
And lets see the UA membership voted down the first TA and then ratified the second one by a 70% to 30% margin.

 

[WorldTraveler]

so the IAM can't really save jobs? they can just pretend that they are making a difference that is no different than what the company COULD have done if they followed the processes that other non-union airlines have?

and then union members voted to cut the jobs of their peers in order to get a lump sum payout.

and you wonder why DL people voted no to unions so many times.

 

[700UW]

They saved jobs and have done this over the past 50 years, see they provide a CBA with scope and job protections.
 
Does DL mechanics have scope, job protections and a no layoff?
NOPE
 
Does DL ACS have scope, job protections and no layoff?
NOPE
 
Does DL FAs have scope, job protections and no layoff?
NOPE.
 
Does DL ACS and FAs have guaranteed raises every year?
NOPE

Does DL ACS and FAs have a cap on health insurance increases?
NOPE
 
Does DL have an A-Scale, B-Scale and C-Scale for workers doing the same exact job?
YEP.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL's unwritten track record is far better than the written one which you claim unions can provide.

If DL people believed what they had was better, they would bite.


all they have to do is look at what the IAM is doing at other carriers including UA to come to the conclusion that they would be no better off and a lot worse off with a union.


Instead they have spit the unions out like yesterday's unrefrigerated milk.

 

[700UW]

Track records are written.

Closed MCO, DFW, MEM and CVG hubs.

Closed TPA and DFW MTC.
 
Has three pay rates for the same classification.
 
Cuts profit sharing, gives some 2% raises and others 3% raises doing the same job.
 
ANC, MSP cuts, and many others, with the employees having no say in what happens.

 

[WorldTraveler]

now put that list up against what AA, UA, and US have done.

I'm not expecting you will.. because it would show the hypocrisy of your claims.

which they are.

 

[700UW]

I never stated any of them didnt make cuts, but the employees at Unionized airlines have more options and guarantees made available to them instead of employees at will like DL.
 
Lets see everyone at US at the same step in the pay scale makes the same wage and gets the same increases, can you say that about DL?
 
And 50% of DL is RR, cant say that about UA, AA nor US.