WeAAsles
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United Mechanics vote on new contract extensio
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WeAAsles
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“All in” for SWA AMFA represented members is 15 years. Here’s the language directly from their contract, Longevity.
“At the conclusion of each year of category seniority an Employee accrues, his pay will be increased by $0.10/hour up to ten (10) years. After completing eleven (11) years, Employees will receive an additional $.15/hour per year up to $1.60/hour. Employees completing fifteen (15) years and thereafter will receive $1.75/hour. For purposes of this section only, service will be defined as service within a group covered by a collective bargaining agreement between Southwest Airlines and the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. This will not affect the wage rates as set forth in Article 15 or any other provisions relating to seniority in this Agreement. Overtime, holidays, jury duty, funeral leave, sick leave, on the job injury leave and vacation time will be computed on the basis of regular rate of pay plus shift differential, longevity and license premium, if any”
“At the conclusion of each year of category seniority an Employee accrues, his pay will be increased by $0.10/hour up to ten (10) years. After completing eleven (11) years, Employees will receive an additional $.15/hour per year up to $1.60/hour. Employees completing fifteen (15) years and thereafter will receive $1.75/hour. For purposes of this section only, service will be defined as service within a group covered by a collective bargaining agreement between Southwest Airlines and the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. This will not affect the wage rates as set forth in Article 15 or any other provisions relating to seniority in this Agreement. Overtime, holidays, jury duty, funeral leave, sick leave, on the job injury leave and vacation time will be computed on the basis of regular rate of pay plus shift differential, longevity and license premium, if any”
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In this article below they put the Pilots at industry leading and even larger than Delta's 30% in raises.
Also read where they want to hire 7,000 mechanics. When there is a shortage of mechanics and UAL pays their mechanics in the mid range of the industry, it may be harder to attain and recruit mechanics their way. The union over there may want to start having discussions on maybe bumping up pay in order to recruit mechanics easier. If our new T/A gets voted in this month we will go to nearly $6 bucks per hour over UAL and by end of contract extension we will be $10 plus over UAL. At least try to get the starting wages higher to better promote and fill the mechanic positions.
And BTW; SWA is hiring mechanics as well throughout the rest of this year and through next year as well. So, it'll be a scramble for the airlines to promote the favorable benefits and pay and well as job security, to get the best mechanics they can get and the most experienced mechanics.
Also late to the game, but a good move by UAL is the new apprentice program UAL will start, 36 months to attain and train and get licensed mechanics into the field.
Also read where they want to hire 7,000 mechanics. When there is a shortage of mechanics and UAL pays their mechanics in the mid range of the industry, it may be harder to attain and recruit mechanics their way. The union over there may want to start having discussions on maybe bumping up pay in order to recruit mechanics easier. If our new T/A gets voted in this month we will go to nearly $6 bucks per hour over UAL and by end of contract extension we will be $10 plus over UAL. At least try to get the starting wages higher to better promote and fill the mechanic positions.
And BTW; SWA is hiring mechanics as well throughout the rest of this year and through next year as well. So, it'll be a scramble for the airlines to promote the favorable benefits and pay and well as job security, to get the best mechanics they can get and the most experienced mechanics.
Also late to the game, but a good move by UAL is the new apprentice program UAL will start, 36 months to attain and train and get licensed mechanics into the field.
ThirdSeatHero
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We get another buck or two at years end under the current extension, and then the end of next we're right back into negotiations. Hopefully the rest of the industry bumps up big and then we follow.
UAL is going to have trouble picking up Techs even with the bump, in coastal hubs at least - We can't get/keep people in SFO-LAX-EWR because of the high COA. Adding to this, is the fact that other airlines (to their credit) will hire Techs that UAL puts through probation as soon as they make 6 months - offering to move them to top of the pay scale at their airline where UAL won't.
We've told management that if you want to keep talent, offer new hires in high COA points top scale pay at start so long as they remain at that point - you may not get a flood of new hires but you'll get/keep more than they do now
We'll see -
UAL is going to have trouble picking up Techs even with the bump, in coastal hubs at least - We can't get/keep people in SFO-LAX-EWR because of the high COA. Adding to this, is the fact that other airlines (to their credit) will hire Techs that UAL puts through probation as soon as they make 6 months - offering to move them to top of the pay scale at their airline where UAL won't.
We've told management that if you want to keep talent, offer new hires in high COA points top scale pay at start so long as they remain at that point - you may not get a flood of new hires but you'll get/keep more than they do now
We'll see -
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Yes. I also read where AA is suppose to get their bump in April of 24 I do believe.
If you guys are the next nego's I am in hopes you will leapfrog us on our extension offer if/when it passes. You guys are the closest next in line from the top other than Delta, but, they are not unionized nor do they have scheduled yearly raises. I don't expect Delta doing anything until all the industry is settled with all new contracts and then they may increase them within a reasonable level of all the other airlines.
Looks like you guys will get increased in Jan 24, then nego Jan of following year, perfect timing on our extension becoming amendable by 2027, but we should start the nego's by Aug of 26.
I agree with your assumption of all airlines leapfrogging each other as we see new agreements getting done.
We have been told some interviewers are saying people are balking at starting pay so they bump that up as well with this new extension offer they just passed across the table. I think all airlines have the same COL problems in the higher COL states, we too can't keep folks in Cali and other high COL cities.
Good luck in the up coming nego's and pls don't allow the teamsters get (force) you guys into the scam of TeamCare.
CorvetteMan
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AA is getting a 2% bump in March of 2024. The CBA was effective 3/20. Only the normal step raises.
Amendable date is 3/26/25 and can be opened up six months prior to the amendable date by either party.
Do a little research before you post.
Amendable date is 3/26/25 and can be opened up six months prior to the amendable date by either party.
Do a little research before you post.
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Kev3188
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DL AMT's have scheduled yearly raises. It's a 6.5 year scale. Last increase to base rates was on April 1st of this year.
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Thanks Kev., didn't realize that you all had yearly raises scheduled.
You guys hearing of any upcoming raises, maybe by April of 24?
Thx again for the correction.
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Interesting proposal. What do you do with that tech when they put in a transfer to IAH? Bring them down to where they'd be otherwise?
I'm hearing from several folks its ultimately cheaper to build out a new overhaul line in IAH or TPA than it is to try and keep one staffed at SFO...
ThirdSeatHero
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That's the general idea.
The overhaul lines in SFO are long gone - the tech shortage is hitting the Line & Special Route operations that were cut too deep during the pandemic, and still haven't fully recovered. Additionally, SFO and other high COL stations are continuing to lose techs to a number of smaller line mx stations UAL is opening around the system.
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Heard about it when it broke on the 16th, this must be alot more involved than the last extension, as those details were out about 48 hrs after the announcement.
Additionally, with the almost complete silence from most sources almost 2 weeks later, could lead one to believe there is something ugly in the give back to the company ... we'll soon see.
Personal speculation - as the company can already see that our next reset calculation will pay out (without giving up anything) and the fact that the teamsters current efforts on Delta will more than likely cause Delta to throw more $$$ at their AMT's which will up UAL's reset amount, United is offering an extension now to lock us in, get something contractual in return, and suspend the reset language for the duration of the extension as they did last time.
Additionally, with the almost complete silence from most sources almost 2 weeks later, could lead one to believe there is something ugly in the give back to the company ... we'll soon see.
Personal speculation - as the company can already see that our next reset calculation will pay out (without giving up anything) and the fact that the teamsters current efforts on Delta will more than likely cause Delta to throw more $$$ at their AMT's which will up UAL's reset amount, United is offering an extension now to lock us in, get something contractual in return, and suspend the reset language for the duration of the extension as they did last time.
