USA320Pilot
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Us Airways By The Numbers
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autofixer
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So what is the point of the article? U s@#ks and this guy wants them and their overpaid and underworked pilots to go away. SWA will come into PIT and save the day (so he thinks).
The so called numbers looked old and out of date, so again, what is the point of the article?
The so called numbers looked old and out of date, so again, what is the point of the article?
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autofixer said:
Do you want to know the real point of this post..
It is the first time I have ever seen USA320 post something that does not say
anything good about US Airways or it's management team. A group of people he idolizes as some of the best minds in aviation.
This is a true first.. USA320 finally sees the light.
The numbers are slightly off.. They do not take into account the pain inflicted on the labor groups.. I remember reading a similar report at US Airways though talking about the $88 vs the $116 and the number of employee's in relationship to the size of the fleet. (US with 28K and 280 and Southwest with 35K and 400)
US Airways needs to reduce its headcount down to the area of about 20K.
Geeze, this guy practically admitted that he is biased (love/hate U).
Numbers off the top of Cordle's head...?
Nice. <_<
As a major BS artist, I know that one way so called experts try to make their argument seem vaild, is to toss around meaningless numbers. Stuff that can be interpreted in a variety of ways depending upon the contex you use it in.
Like this:
"Four out of Five dentists in a recent straw poll, determined that chewing gum on a SWA flight, instead of eating candy on a US Airways flight might help prevent tooth decay..."
And you can quote me on that. 🙄
Numbers off the top of Cordle's head...?
Nice. <_<
As a major BS artist, I know that one way so called experts try to make their argument seem vaild, is to toss around meaningless numbers. Stuff that can be interpreted in a variety of ways depending upon the contex you use it in.
Like this:
"Four out of Five dentists in a recent straw poll, determined that chewing gum on a SWA flight, instead of eating candy on a US Airways flight might help prevent tooth decay..."
And you can quote me on that. 🙄
cordle ...did i read it right that Corldle works for United..airline thats bleeding more athan any ther airline...the airline that ask for more cuts from their employees than Usairways....
seem like the guy should anaylize his airlines books..
I doubt that usairways is at the top of the bad list and at the bottom of the good list ... 😀
seem like the guy should anaylize his airlines books..
I doubt that usairways is at the top of the bad list and at the bottom of the good list ... 😀
Well, that is what I mean, What exactly is a "Bad List"...?
That sounds a great media sound bite, but it sounds like totally meaningless and inane fluff.
Kinda like that article, I mean really, who really care about that reporter's wife...? Is that what they consider hard hitting news in PIT...? Sounds to me like he has nothing better to complain about regarding US Airways at the moment.
Pretty lame IMO.
Why doesn't this reporter do some actual research instead, and run the numbers himself, to determine conservative estimates of future senority levels and resulting average pay changes....? Nahh, it is much easier to just quote some negative sounding numbers off the top of some UAL pilot's head. Face it, US Airways will look nothing like it has in the past, and the easy ride that this reporter was bragging about his wife having had is already history...
Time to catch up with current events Mr. Steigerwald
That sounds a great media sound bite, but it sounds like totally meaningless and inane fluff.
Kinda like that article, I mean really, who really care about that reporter's wife...? Is that what they consider hard hitting news in PIT...? Sounds to me like he has nothing better to complain about regarding US Airways at the moment.
Pretty lame IMO.
Why doesn't this reporter do some actual research instead, and run the numbers himself, to determine conservative estimates of future senority levels and resulting average pay changes....? Nahh, it is much easier to just quote some negative sounding numbers off the top of some UAL pilot's head. Face it, US Airways will look nothing like it has in the past, and the easy ride that this reporter was bragging about his wife having had is already history...
Time to catch up with current events Mr. Steigerwald
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I've been told that Vaughn Cordle, the UAL pilot/airline analyst, is one of the pilot scabs from the ALPA strike back in the '80's. Might explain why he manages to blame labor for everything.
I can't verify his status as a scab but, oddly enough, USA320pilot would probably be a reliable source to verify or disclaim that particular rumor.
I can't verify his status as a scab but, oddly enough, USA320pilot would probably be a reliable source to verify or disclaim that particular rumor.
TheLarkAscending
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PineyBob said:
Bill Steigerwald is an Associate Editor and not a reporter, but rather, a columnist. On Sundays, he publishes his opinion and commentary column -- and it is just that. It isn't necessarily filled with facts, figures and verifiable data, just his viewpoint.
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All 320 did was post a link related to US Airways, not an endorsement thereof.
TheLarkAscending
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PineyBob said:
You and he have your own sense of truth; his vehicle is his local employer/press and you have internet forums/FFOCUS.
I'm uncertain how his wishing his wife had become a Flight Attendant is demeaning to anyone in that profession.
My wish was to point out this his Sunday column is strictly commentary and opinion. Your daily posts are much the same. He collects a paycheck for his, however!
TheLarkAscending
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PineyBob said:
We shall agree that he was referring to pre-911 contracts, and he said as much.
New hires during the big push ('97-'00) were, more often than not, collecting guarantees for months without ever hearing their phones ring because crew scheduling never got that low on the seniority list. A great many had to get part-time jobs to make ends meet. They never saw the airport. Even placing themselves on quick-calls and sitting OPR did not change that situation. Speak to anyone that was hired then (if any still exist as employees) and they will vouch for that. He was not insulting the flight attendant, if anything he was commenting on the seniority sytem, no matter how myopic or brief his glimpse.
In every avenue of writing, there are individuals that will dive into the minutia and get almost every story out with complete accuracy, however, even the big guys make critical errors and the paper will print a correction, albeit at the end of section 14, on the last page, in a small box on the bottom left hand corner between want ads for used paper towels and old monkey trainers. 😉
Mr. Steigerwald offered commentary and opinion, rather than a Woodward & Bernstein piece.
USA320Pilot has posted editorials previously, although never discloses them as such. Since reading the internet is different than picking up the paper, it can be difficult to immediately ascertain when something is an OPINION or EDITORIAL vs. a "factual" story (in quotes because even "factual" stories are often spun to the whim of the author/editor).
