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US Airways Flight Attendants Have Reached 3rd Tentative Agreement

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See details here:
http://ourafa.org/ne...-to-the-future/

Highlights:
  1. MOU discussions to begin immediately upon ratification
  2. $40,000 Early Out upon merger close
  3. Preservation of Industry-Leading job protections for all of US – secured scope and full LPPs
  4. All of the $45 million in annual improvements previously negotiated.
  5. $1700 ratification bonus
 
The 40 & 17 are nice options, but I thought the big gripe was separating from the pilots. My understanding of this is the offer stays the same we are only adding early out and a signing bonus, true?
 
The $40k Early Out should definitely help assure passage this time. Remember how many AA flight attendants took it?
 
How can this be?

Our resident unhappy person said talks were recessed, guess that person was wrong again!
 
Its amazing to have a union actually trying to negotiate for their members and listening to them rather than just caving in to management and voting till they get it right.....

Congrats to the negotiating team, hopefully the third time will be a charm!!!
 
First of all , this TA is really not an improvement as it really is the same TA 2 . Parker already said they would offer an early out with a merger before and the $1,700 is just the money they saved from the last 2 TA 's not voted in . So technically .. Nothing was gained . This is a take it or leave it contract . They did not increase hourly rates nor did they improve the RSV section , enhance the me too clause , nor change the PBS language . It's completely the same exact contract . Now if you want to vote no and see if your gonna get more then keep dreaming . This is it boys and girls . After this we hit a wall . Get serious . This ain't no joke ..
 
How can this be?

Our resident unhappy person said talks were recessed, guess that person was wrong again!

Not really. This is essentially the same TA with an add on of a signing bonus and an early out AFTER the merger. We have lost thousands of dollars for what? Something entirely different? Where is it? I don't see it, do you?
 
For those of you who are cheerleaders for a merger, just remember that AA does not have a co-pairing arrangement with pilots and f/as. They used to (I was told), but the FAA restrictions on pilot duty day length was giving too much layover time for the f/as ( :lol:). We can be scheduled a lot more hours than the pilots. And, it is highly doubtful that AMR management would be the least bit interested in going back to a co-pairing agreement. On a recent 3-day trip, 3-2-3 legs, I had the same cockpit for only two of those legs.
 
Not really. This is essentially the same TA with an add on of a signing bonus and an early out AFTER the merger. We have lost thousands of dollars for what? Something entirely different? Where is it? I don't see it, do you?
becareful said talks were recessed.

Apparently they werent.
 
This is a post from our PHX MEC president ..We were very close to getting recessed .




The odds were against us of even meeting again with the company and the NMB. We went to the meeting armed with a proposal that was prepared by the JNC and Joint MECs. Since it was to be a Status Update, our status was simple....bring our proposal and see if we could present it to the company. The proposal had every issue that was important to both East and West FAs (Vacation, Insurance, Reserve, Compensation, etc.)

On Wednesday (Jan 23rd) we were almost placed in an indefinite recess. It wasn't a threat....the NMB was brutal in their words........"Your negotiations have come to an end. If you don't move off of this current proposal, you are being placed in an indefinite recess....other parties will then determine your fate without your input."

Needless to say, Roger and I had some serious decisions to make in a very short amount of time. Roger and I were keenly aware that we had a responsibility to our membership......to make decisions that would be in the best interest of the FAs we represent...all FAs. We knew, that being placed in recess was in essence a "death sentence". Nothing was worth being placed in recess...not West Vacation, Insurance, East Reserve, Co-pairing, etc. The status quo represents a dead end with no way out.

During TA2 talks, the company had insisted on diluting Scope as well as stripping away the LPPs (except for those that are already included in the McCaskill/Bond Amendment) if there was any discussion of an "early out". With this TA, Scope and the LPPs remain in tact.

Should this TA pass, the company will be required to begin four (4) party talks in order to negotiate an MOU. Without this language, the company had no obligation to enter MOU discussions with us. Additionally, we enter into those talks under our terms.

There's still going to be those who slam this TA. Already we are being called "liars, selling out the FAs, weak, etc.....so be it. This go around I won't be telling people to vote what's (individually) best for them. Instead we (as a work force) need to come to the realization that anything other than ratification is reckless. The status quo doesn't hold any benefit for this work force in the face of a merger......whether it's this merger or the next merger. At no time is it advisable to stay at these wages and allow other parties determine our future.

As always, we need to be respectful to each other, but also be clear when we speak to our co-workers. This TA is our "Professional Life Line".....voting now ensures we stay on life support with the company standing by ready to "pull the plug".
 
First of all , this TA is really not an improvement as it really is the same TA 2 . Parker already said they would offer an early out with a merger before and the $1,700 is just the money they saved from the last 2 TA 's not voted in . So technically .. Nothing was gained . This is a take it or leave it contract . They did not increase hourly rates nor did they improve the RSV section , enhance the me too clause , nor change the PBS language . It's completely the same exact contract . Now if you want to vote no and see if your gonna get more then keep dreaming . This is it boys and girls . After this we hit a wall . Get serious . This ain't no joke ..



BINGO This is the same contract ... The Early out was promised previously to both F/A s at aa and us once merger happened.... The MOU No Brainer .... This was AFAs fault for not starting it sooner. The 1700 was a little bit of was we lost since March of last year! As i said before to double 00 700 ...watch and learn!!!! No addtional monies were added. The Strike threat had nothing to do with the company agreeing to yet again opening the talks. It was simple....The last TA failed in the double digits... Take 1700 toss it out there and you got yourself a YES vote! This was perfect for the company because of the *******s at AFA has no clue! Oh and btw the bonus is taxed at a much higher rate than the monies we would have earned over the last year so we lost even more. But our union wants you to believe its their hard wittle work that paid off! I voted FOR the last two agreements and have lost much more than the 1700 minus the 50% tax than this agreement ever gives back.. Lets see yet again how it plays out lol!
 
This is a post from our PHX MEC president ..We were very close to getting recessed .




The odds were against us of even meeting again with the company and the NMB. We went to the meeting armed with a proposal that was prepared by the JNC and Joint MECs. Since it was to be a Status Update, our status was simple....bring our proposal and see if we could present it to the company. The proposal had every issue that was important to both East and West FAs (Vacation, Insurance, Reserve, Compensation, etc.)

On Wednesday (Jan 23rd) we were almost placed in an indefinite recess. It wasn't a threat....the NMB was brutal in their words........"Your negotiations have come to an end. If you don't move off of this current proposal, you are being placed in an indefinite recess....other parties will then determine your fate without your input."

Needless to say, Roger and I had some serious decisions to make in a very short amount of time. Roger and I were keenly aware that we had a responsibility to our membership......to make decisions that would be in the best interest of the FAs we represent...all FAs. We knew, that being placed in recess was in essence a "death sentence". Nothing was worth being placed in recess...not West Vacation, Insurance, East Reserve, Co-pairing, etc. The status quo represents a dead end with no way out.

During TA2 talks, the company had insisted on diluting Scope as well as stripping away the LPPs (except for those that are already included in the McCaskill/Bond Amendment) if there was any discussion of an "early out". With this TA, Scope and the LPPs remain in tact.

Should this TA pass, the company will be required to begin four (4) party talks in order to negotiate an MOU. Without this language, the company had no obligation to enter MOU discussions with us. Additionally, we enter into those talks under our terms.

There's still going to be those who slam this TA. Already we are being called "liars, selling out the FAs, weak, etc.....so be it. This go around I won't be telling people to vote what's (individually) best for them. Instead we (as a work force) need to come to the realization that anything other than ratification is reckless. The status quo doesn't hold any benefit for this work force in the face of a merger......whether it's this merger or the next merger. At no time is it advisable to stay at these wages and allow other parties determine our future.

As always, we need to be respectful to each other, but also be clear when we speak to our co-workers. This TA is our "Professional Life Line".....voting now ensures we stay on life support with the company standing by ready to "pull the plug".

Wheres Ms PITBULL and her stand your ground speech? LOL I think thias whole thing is simply hilarious if i hadnt lost money for the last year because of igonorance...
 
Early out? Is it really that good a deal, or are you making it easier for the company to screw the new hires? Be careful with early retirements because the company and Uncle Sam are the ones who profit.

just sayin'
 
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