US-East Observation Rides In Full Force
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USCREW says "Do you work for a third world airline or a US carrier that is regulated by the FAA? While one F/A is taking orders or filling them, there has to be another who is close to the doors. This is not "lazy" and this is not an excuse. It is boarding procedure. You can not watch your exit at row 8 unless you are on a super small private jet with only 8 rows."
Not unless US is a 3rd world carrier!
Let's see, the FAA writes the regulations, the company writes its policies and procedures to meet the regs. If the p and p says you can do a pre-departure bev. at row 8, than it must meet the reg., which it does.
When FAs start to think that they know better than the FAA and the p&ps, that is when we start having problems.
So, yes, not doing your pre-departure is being lazy.
If you don't feel it is safe, to bad, the company and the FAA do. If you do like the rules quit or do something positive about them, or, just follow the rules so your fellow crewmembers and passengers can do their job also.
Not unless US is a 3rd world carrier!
Let's see, the FAA writes the regulations, the company writes its policies and procedures to meet the regs. If the p and p says you can do a pre-departure bev. at row 8, than it must meet the reg., which it does.
When FAs start to think that they know better than the FAA and the p&ps, that is when we start having problems.
So, yes, not doing your pre-departure is being lazy.
If you don't feel it is safe, to bad, the company and the FAA do. If you do like the rules quit or do something positive about them, or, just follow the rules so your fellow crewmembers and passengers can do their job also.
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Anyone that knows me or has been a 1st class passenger of mine would tell you the last thing I am is LAZY. I detest laziness. Now, in 1-2 years time when you work the A321 in the A position, you can experience what we are talking about. Lots of times the flight deck door is open with the pilots not present during boarding. If you think for one minute I am going to walk to the back of 1st class leaving that cockpit unattended then your mistaken. Keep in mind I have to push my way to and from the boarding door to accomplish all this. Who is greeting the people?...No one....I'm back at row 5. Who is guarding the cockpit...No one....I am taking orders at row 8. Who is watching the bags...No one....I'm at row 5 now delivering their drink. I would love the company to say something about the A321 because I would call the FAA Field Office and put in a Cabin Safety Report. If they are so concerned about predeparture service on the 321 then DON'T STAFF IT AT MINS.
Anyone that knows me or has been a 1st class passenger of mine would tell you the last thing I am is LAZY. I detest laziness. Now, in 1-2 years time when you work the A321 in the A position, you can experience what we are talking about. Lots of times the flight deck door is open with the pilots not present during boarding. If you think for one minute I am going to walk to the back of 1st class leaving that cockpit unattended then your mistaken. Keep in mind I have to push my way to and from the boarding door to accomplish all this. Who is greeting the people?...No one....I'm back at row 5. Who is guarding the cockpit...No one....I am taking orders at row 8. Who is watching the bags...No one....I'm at row 5 now delivering their drink. I would love the company to say something about the A321 because I would call the FAA Field Office and put in a Cabin Safety Report. If they are so concerned about predeparture service on the 321 then DON'T STAFF IT AT MINS.
Dog Wonder
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Can't wait for the West FAs to tell how to work Envoy on a 330.
West dosen't have A330s in their fleet.
Or, are you being facetious?
Perhaps you are not a FA for either East or West.
I see no one trying to tell anyone else how to do service.
What I have been following is a discussion of onboard procedures and observation check-rides.
West FAs seem to find it interesting to learn the differences in East procedures, and East FAs also seem to like to learn what is different about West's policies.
And the non-FA followers seem to enjoy the educational aspect of this discussion.
One thing we can be sure of, is that the Policies and Procedures WILL be changing, and then everyone will need to get on the same page.
Some obviously need to be educated as to what exactly a FAR is.
USCREW
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You obviously are not familiar with USAirways P&P or the 321. It is not about "feelings or likings", it is procedure and when you are qualified to work on larger aircraft then you can have a more valid comment. Stick to the baby Airbus and you'll be O.K.
USCREW
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That should be fun. lol..
2clippedwings
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I love the assumptions you are making. Ever worked the 747/DC10/8? In my 26 years in the industry I have worked in numerous capacities at 7 different airlines, I have flown everything from the Dash 8 to the 747 and everything in between.
I know how to perform High end service (all of the duties) and follow safety regulations at the same time.
If you can't do the pre-departure without an additional FA on board, you aren't going to like working on the New US Airways.
USCREW
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You didn't mention the 321. 26 years at 7 airlines makes you very junior so at the new US Airways you won't have to worry too much about the larger aircraft.
You're right! I have not worked that one type of a/c. And yet I fly on it all of the time.
I am heavy in the integration and fly it at least 3 times a month.
I love the a/c. But if you think that just because I have not worked on the a/c as a crewmember, well lets just say that would be an excuse kind of like, I can't do the beverage service, because I can't look around and serve a drink at the same time.
I have worked a FC section larger than 7 rows like the A321. Try it on a DC10 where you have over 200 passengers walking through your cabin.
Is is hard? You bet! But that is the job.
Hmm, I thought we were talking about the A321, which will be flying out of PHX.
You continue to make assumptions.
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O.K. I'm sure that you are great. When the fence comes down, some of us will be on that plane with you and my assumption is that it will be a first class service like no other.
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View attachment 4879Yikes! This thread is turning toxic! Now like Rose on the Golden Girls once said.....Lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya! 
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Ok, this has gone on now for 11 pages. If you are up front on the A321 alone at the door and passengers are boarding, how can you be there to monitor bags, cockpit and galley? If you walk away and take an order or hang a coat you are usually bombarded with passengers turning the corner. It is policy that we be at the door to greet and monitor is it not? If the boarding process is moving like Noahs ark 2 by 2 then you may be able to do a few drinks. That again leaves the door unmanned. It is silly that some would think of you as lazy because you were concerned with safety and on time performance. Everything is a "grey area". Well I mentioned before about all the new security issues and stuff. What if I was there and a FAA inspector came on to talk to me and the pilots yet I was at row 7 or 8 doing drinks? Does anyone think that it would go over well? Depending on the mood of the inspector you may be told about it or not. I for one DO NOT take the chances. Can't afford it.
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