US got GIG!

[BoeingBoy]

As scheduled, it's legal - 11:55 flown in a 24 hour period. It sure doesn't leave much wiggle room for going over schedule on the way to GIG though.

Jim

 

[usfan]

I'm not sure if the link means that US will be flying this or if it pertains to code-sharing, but it appears the rights are there for more South America.

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/comp...9000064807f2456

I've heard that we also requested our own flights to Buenos Aires via Montevideo .
It is still under review by DOT .
Hopefully we will get our own flights there soon .
Love this famous Parilla restaurant on the avenida Florida !!!!!! he he he ....... EZE here we come !!!

 

[phllax]

If it's legal, that's how it will work. However, given the fact that the distance involved (4700 NM) is further than Philly to Rome (4400 NM,) I doubt that they will do that.

But there is no abuse of employees that will go untried around here. It may take a few canceled return flight due to crew fatigue before they "get it."

Keep in mind that it's only a 2 hour time difference between CLT and GIG most of the year, as oppossed to the 6-7 hour difference between PHL and European destinations.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I've heard that we also requested our own flights to Buenos Aires via Montevideo .
It is still under review by DOT .

US has had the authority to operate that route. All they did was ask for an extension of the authority and DOT granted a two year extension.

Jim

 

[jcw]

Keep in mind that it's only a 2 hour time difference between CLT and GIG most of the year, as oppossed to the 6-7 hour difference between PHL and European destinations.

Does anyone know how AA, DL, CO, etc do turns to SA? Maybe this is industry practice.

We do morning flights to SFO from CLT/PHL, sleep during the day upon arrival and do red eyes back that night.

 

[Edward]

Several un necessary comments have been deleted. Lets stay on the topic.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Does anyone know how AA, DL, CO, etc do turns to SA? Maybe this is industry practice.

Don't know, but the first thing that would affect crew scheduling is the flight schedule - do all of the others have the airplane sit in GIG so long? If US had the GIG departure more than 5 minutes earlier (or the CLT departure more than 5 minutes later, it wouldn't be legal for a crew to fly down, take a break, and fly the same day return.

Next is schedule. Both ATL & MIA are closer to GIG (or anywhere in S.A.) than CLT. As mentioned earlier, US only has 5 minutes to spare if they're going to use the inbound crew for the same day outbound flight. For DFW & IAH, the distance to GIG is enough longer to use up that 5 minutes and more, making it illegal to turn the crew around the same day. Obviously, flying to anywhere further south than GIG would also result in the crew being illegal to work the same day return flight.

The limitation is that a crew can't fly more than 12 hours in any consecutive 24 hours. Anything that would violate that rule would mean the crew would have to fly the inbound one day and the outbound the next day.

Jim

 

[jcw]

AA has two flights leaving MIA for GIG.

Leave MIA 20:35 Arrive GIG 06:10 AM (next morning)
Leave MIA 23:10 Arrive GIG 8:49 AM (next morning)

Depart GIG 20:20 Arrive MIA 04:00 AM
Depart GIG 21:50 Arrive MIA 05:35 AM (next morning)

The aircraft sit on the ground. Difference in time is a follows:

First Flight Layover hours 14:10
Second Flight Layover hours 13:01

I agree that US schedule is to tight. However it does look like AA runs a similar schedule although with more cushion. US could just have the outbound depart at 9:30 PM to have enough time for the turn.

 

[FA Mikey]

Does anyone know how AA, DL, CO, etc do turns to SA? Maybe this is industry practice.

We do morning flights to SFO from CLT/PHL, sleep during the day upon arrival and do red eyes back that night.

It is Industry practice. Those short layovers at UAL, DAL and AA are all senior to God. AA has a mix of short and long layovers in GRU, EZE, GIG. The Pilots are all on long layovers and the flight attendants are on both. In GIG one plane stays the other tags on to GRU.
The travel rime from the airport to a decent hotel is about 45mins to an hour.

 

[gaucho99]

Does anyone know how AA, DL, CO, etc do turns to SA? Maybe this is industry practice.

Last year I flew dfw-eze on AA. Flight arrives in eze about 9:00 AM. I spoke to a flight attendant and asked how much time they got in Buenos Aires. His response was they fly back out that same night. He termed it a brutal schedule.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Both ATL & MIA are closer to GIG (or anywhere in S.A.) than CLT.

At long last...

Great circle distance:

CLT-GIG 4696 NM
ATL-GIG 4735 NM

All it takes is an internet connection...or so I've been so smugly told.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I'm glad I was able to put a little joy into your life...

Jim

 

[ChockJockey]

I'm glad I was able to put a little joy into your life...

Jim

I think that BoeingBoy has that rare and excellent ability of inducing massive rage without ever having to resort to using an exclamation point. All he does is state facts and people go insane; I love it.

 

[YVINTERN]

Cant...stop...laugh...ing!!!!

 

[gaucho99]

US has had the authority to operate that route. All they did was ask for an extension of the authority and DOT granted a two year extension.

Jim

Do we have the authority to operate mvd and eze with our own metal, or is this just the authority to sell the seats on UA with our codeshare???